okay you say that like it's a bad
thing we
AIO
fzy the
video understand the video was Fuzzy so
they redid it
restart so we had to wait
for our Deputy clerk here Terry
good job thank you Terry thank you
Terry well
done all right I'll uh call the meeting
to order and and we'll stand for the
Pledge of Allegiance
please I pledge of Alle to the flag of
the United States of America and to the
Republic for which it stands one nation
under God indivisible with libery and
justice for all
call P please sure GRE cens here
Jennifer Eden here Sarah dolman Jersey
here Herman Ferguson here Dean HW here
Chris Reta here Pam mler
here all right thank
you all right uh call for the approval
of the agenda
um I do have some amendments I would
like to make to
it uh I would like to scratch number
four and I would like to apologize to
the PC board and the Township board that
is not the way to uh have a discussion
between the two
boards I would uh like to change the
verbiage on number
five to discuss
the Township's current
position regarding wind battery solar
the ordinances and the master plan like
to bring uh the the board and the
residents up to date on where we're at
in relation to
that uh number I don't want to change
number six I want to add number seven
slow me down if I'm going too fast you
good good okay uh I want to add number
seven the uh Michigan mariju uh medical
marijuana
moratorium extend that number eight the
extraction
moratorium extend
that uh number nine
accept John
whis's resignation from the board of
review number 10 uh
recommend a
replacement
Nicole
fleckenstein for his
replacement and then number 11
recommend Perry green as a alternate for
that board so we don't get caught in the
position we're
in that's it I'm looking for an approval
for that
agenda so move to approve the agenda as
a
amended that's a lot of changes at the
table half of which I knew nothing about
um a lot of this stuff just
happened in the last day or
two so I I know and I don't know how
we're voting to approve recommended
appointments people I know nothing about
well the Board review is is really my
responsibility and
um I feel that these recommendations
are are excellent
recommendations um I've got a staff that
has helped me confirm him
so I mean we can move forward with it or
we could drag it out I'll
support I'm I'm not comfortable not even
talking to the to an appointee or having
them show up to this
meeting isn't there isn't there a policy
for process of appointment that's what I
thought I invited uh both of them Nikki
is here so I mean when we get to that
point I think she's I asked her she
would be here to answer any of your
questions I do have an application for
each of them for each one one of you if
you'd like that I can pass that out
right
now can someone confirm if there's a
board policy the process that we work
through for all appointments or is that
only applicable to certain
appointments I believe for just
Commissioners so that policy is for the
Planning Commission it's not for board
of
review I I
couldn't Chu I don't know if we have a
policy on that or not
the standard policy is according to the
manual of page 94 that they do not have
to post for the position nor do they
have the interview is discretion of the
supervisor go point it
right that's the
policy that's the MTA rule that is not
the board we don't have one that
overrides that that's the one we go by
well maybe someone should confirm that
we don't have one and if we do it should
be followed and they may excellent
candidates so if those folks are here
it's not directed at you
personally it's just
difficult to not have the information
that we need to
have how urgent is the situation to have
them
appointed could it not wait until the
next board meeting well I discussed that
with um our tax assessors and they were
like adamant about having to have some
someone in place the first of the
year and quite honestly it is the
supervisor's statutory
Duty he's responsible for
those appointments and the tax assessing
in this Township that is my one of my
statutory
duties so I I have to have these people
in place the first of the year
I I apologize for the last minute
but we just well and you can't foresee
resignation I understand that I mean
that's why I asked if it was urgent
timing so I I
wanted to drag it out to January 7th
but it's not
recommended I mean I I'm only one voice
here if you want to drag it out but I I
don't think it's the wise
idea I'm less offended by the um you
know the the fact that uh well surprise
of course is always especially because I
didn't get any notice but I've been
highly criticized for not notifying
people and so this uh this is something
that's uh very offensive however to to
the due cause
of ensuring that we have to have
somebody assigned I want to make sure
that you amend that to ensure that we
have the person who were that you're
recommending come up here for questions
at least give her a little bit of a
statement of why they would uh like this
position so that we can at least have
some not not blind uh trust in that
during this
meeting Nico Nicole yes here you go
thank
you well I I think he just wants to know
you're you're you're available not quite
well we'll call you up when we get to
that that point in the agenda I just
need to get it on the agenda I want to
make sure you're okay with it thank you
see she's here she's no I I I understand
your concern
Chris I think you have support for uh
yes all in favor I I any
oppose all right the agenda will carry
as
amended all right I'm looking for
approval on the consent
agenda the uh board minutes the
treasures report Clerk's
warrant make make a
motion a
second
support all in favor
I any
oppose all right uh
Communications any questions no I
do um on the Livingston County Sheriff
report um I noticed that the month of
November there was a pretty steep
increase in uh events that took place at
9% up to 121 events um I do know that
you know there's there's not sure how
that was from the same time last year uh
in other words November of last year
there's no trending provided for that
but there's also no trending on the type
of events that took place is it possible
to request in the next report that the
Sheriff's Office if it's possible to
provide the a little bit more trending
detail on the actual event types um and
uh just uh how this compared to the
previous time
uh I'm not sure I mean 9% increase of
events from the sheriff seems pretty
high and 5% from the state police as
well so just curious
all
right we can uh talk to the Sheriff's
about that right
thanks any other questions or
concerns all
right gu we'll move
into have to place was file move to
place okay move to place those on file
so I'll move to place number 1 through
four Communications on file
support all in favor I
I no
oppose all right public
remarks any questions concerns the audio
you guys turn the audio
off how about now I get a little closer
still the
same we got it as loud as
possible I'm not sure we
can yeah yeah I I think the volume is
what the volume
is
or maybe if you moved further up front
here where the speakers are use that
voice you got
it okay I mean I am coming out okay
better all right I'll just talk louder
get closer to I do have a loud voice so
that shouldn't be a problem public
remarks
Janette Janette Retta Tyrone
Township Tyrone Township resident
um you can stop me when my time is up
I've got people that will read for me
the rest of my
comment on the agenda tonight is um well
first of all I wanted to say don't worry
I'm not here to light any fires but I'm
also going to ask why everyone's
pretending that they can't smell the
smoke
okay on the agenda tonight is an item to
appoint someone to the Planning
Commission the process is clearly
defined by the law our new supervisor is
allowed to recommend someone and then
the board will vote just like he was
allowed to recommend um those other
people for board of review or whatever
it was okay um what this means is he
gets to decide who he wants to recommend
for the Planning Commission I learned
today that he doesn't need to tell you
who applied he doesn't even need to
interview the people that applied and
what I'm hearing is he did not interview
or speak with everyone who applied so I
want to emphasize how important it is to
ensure that this planning commission's
role reflects the values and trusts of
the community this position shapes
decisions that impact us all and it
requires wisdom perspective and a deep
understanding of our Township um and
that that person has gained through
years of living here and I'd like to
also remind the board that the
resident's voices
matter and one only needs to look at the
results of the last election to see that
the people spoke loud and clear about
who they trust and who they do not for
those candidates where they had a choice
and that is information that should
always be considered when making
decisions on appointments such as this
it's also my hope that we'll hear a
clear explanation tonight who applied
for this position were they all given a
chance to explain why they wanted this
position and how they believe they are
qualified and what qualifies um
qualities set the supervisor's
recommendation apart from others
transparency is key to maintaining
public confidence in this process
let's also remember that the trust in
leadership comes from listening to the
people this time how they voted and by
honoring their input and then appointing
individuals who reflect the will and
confidence of the community they serve I
understand that the supervisor doesn't
need to do any of these things that I
suggested but I ask him to remember that
he ran on the principles of change
transparency and being honest and open
with the people and I'm hoping he will
honor those campaign promises
tonight and uh can't get your eye well
there you are oh yeah okay I also want
to say that um I reached out to a board
member today that I asked to call
me and I was told that I shouldn't
speak that I should not speak anymore
and that I'm not doing my husband any
favors by speaking I will speak until
I'm blue in the face I will exercise my
right to speak and I highly resent that
being told to me I consider it more
intimidation and just like the last
Administration anybody
else yes sir
I'll light that
fire for
you thank
you you all should receive a packet at
least the board members that I'm not
talking
to
yes how's this
guys my name is Kevin Ross Harland
road to the board particularly Greg KS
Dean hos and Chris Reta three
weeks this phrase mentioned in a recent
Facebook post has never felt more
fitting 3 weeks to violate the law and
potentially place our town ship at quite
a significant legal risk on December
3rd the board convened for the first
time at least publicly in accordance
with the open meetings act what
transpired could be best described as a
comedy show a spectacle that might find
a home as a Netflix series if we began
submitting our own YouTube recordings
highlights include Dean and Chris
asserting they knew more about the law
than our own legal council Chuck here
paired with the usual Antics from
certain public watch I mean public
commenters amid the amid this chaos amid
this chaos amid the chaos there was one
at a time amid this chaos there was
repeated talk of a need to clean up the
Planning Commission it was a display of
power hungry rhetoric wrapped in a guise
of transparency the attempt to twist the
words of legal counsel to justify
predetermined outcomes was both
transparent and appalling it's
fascinating that Dean and Chris have
seemingly graduated summum L from the
Facebook school of law where facts are
optional and confidence is all you need
to rewrite Decades of legislation
clearly there are ulterior motives at
play fast forward to December 10th when
the Planning Commission held its
regularly scheduled meeting after the
meeting adjourned one Greg KS approached
my associate Bill wood shook his hand
and then shook mine What followed was
shocking Unthinkable and indefensible
grg kin handed me and my associates an
official Township document with the
Tyrone Township letter head a document
that essentially put the township into a
large amount of legal trouble if press
further page three on all of your
packets let's address the contents of
this document first it falsely claim my
attendance was an issue the prior board
was fully well aware of my health
related excuse used absences an entirely
separate legal matter I assure you don't
want to delve into with me but you three
were well aware about it after you got
elected beyond that this document
contained outright lies that must be
examined the first lie is the board
approved this document I ask you
Jennifer I ask you Pam Herm and Sarah
did you see or approve this document you
don't have to answer om says that if not
this Con stitutes as the first violation
the second majority approval claimed by
Greg KS Greg K stated that a majority of
board members supported this action is
that true where so where's the
documentation if not that's the second
violation direct interference with
Planning Commission on December 3rd the
Township's legal council Charles
Whitmire explicitly and repeatedly
stated to the board specifically you two
just as we or excuse me repated to the
board that you have no authority to
govern the Planning Commission you may
advise us just as we may advise you
taking any action beyond that is
unlawful this document violates that
boundary making it your third violation
request destroy doc to destroy the
document realizing this error Greg tried
to backpedal hard and later contacted my
colleagues asking them to destroy this
document this is a blatant breach of
public records law F foer retention
policies and general ethical standards
which is the fourth violation Greg's
attempt to sweep his mistake under the
rug was so obvious that it failed a
kindergart that it would have failed a
kindergarten game of hide and seek
asking my colleagues to destroy this
document that's the legal equivalent of
setting off a fireworks setting off
fireworks in a bank heist this behavior
is reckless and indefensible I am asking
for the resignations of Greg KS Dean hos
and Chris Reta additionally
additionally I am also demanding written
and verbal public apologies thank you
for the verbal Greg public apologies at
least from the board public
apologies excuse me for myself and my
colleagues this level of carelessness
lack of transparency and disregard for
the law cannot be the standard and will
not be the standard for our Township it
is a disservice to the community we
serve and is an insult to those who came
before us I will set a precedent for
this Township when it comes to full-on
illegal actions for this group excuse me
for a group that ran on transparency you
guys sure love backdooring meetings and
shredding documents I guess this
transparency means see- through excuses
not actual accountability now to you
Greg when you allow yourself to be
manipulated by individuals who believe
they know better than our own legal
council you lose the ability to think
independently and you become their
puppet this is not leadership it's a
clown show and if there's one thing Greg
Dean and Chris are consistent about it's
their ability to turn simple governance
into a master class of how to lose the
Public's trust in 10 days and the kicker
is good luck you did it in three weeks
[Applause]
Bravo I
won
really just please be quiet tell them to
be quiet Ric like everybody else any
more public comment
Scott you let call me
idiot Scott White Lake
Road please speak into the
mic so the audience can I've been coming
to this Township meetings for decades
and I've been fighting for change I've
fought for change and I am so damn
disappointed I'm disappointed in you
three I'm sorry Greg and I push for you
I am very listen I'm not a
hypocrite I fought for transparency no
appointing a person is not
transparency back before this last board
was in here we used to bring all the
candidates up and they were
questioned they weren't disappointed by
the supervisor and it's not law for you
to do it and you
promised you promised me and you
promised others that there was going to
be change in this damn Township I'm
sorry don't ask me why don't ask
question it's my turn to talk I'm going
to give you this the same respect as I
gave the supervisor because I speak my
mind I might not be right all the time
but damn you three who the hell do you
think you
are I agree how many times Janette did
you get up there and ask for resignation
and you just went against your own what
you I'll go back and play the tapes
listen because no because no because I'm
fair I'm
fairm I'm Fair listen I see what's wrong
I was taught what's right is right
what's wrong is wrong and if I'm wrong
I'll say I'm wrong but you three were
wrong with what what no because it
wasn't trans it's my turn to talk listen
you had your turn you've already made
your point what no it does I'm done I've
only been a couple minutes just let me
finish what what I'll be real quick if
you just shut up for a minute okay make
the point transparency you know what
transparency is it's coming to a board
meeting and letting the people talk
getting questions
answered and the board makes a decision
not three men three men went behind the
doors and look at look at all the stuff
you added to the agenda we we kept
begging not to load up the agenda last
minute no maybe because you were out of
town the stuff didn't get on the agenda
Greg I explained to you let me ask you
another thing the rumor mill the rumor
mill has it oh you going to put a Time
PL up now well okay the rumor mill has
it you're not quitting your job and
you're going to work part-time I did not
elect a part-time supervisor ask these
people if they want a part-time
supervisor cuz I sure didn't want one
last time
any other comments I'd like to respond
to the accusations
John good evening John Ward Tyrone
Township resident and Planning
Commission
chairman uh as Kevin mentioned um after
the Planning Commission meeting um last
Tuesday on December 10th
2024 I received this letter probably
similar to what Kevin uh included in his
packet
and uh it says my attendance at record
during the 2024 calendar year at
Planning Commission meetings is less
than 80% of held meetings um I've I
attended eight out of 11 regular
meetings and three out of three held
subcommittee meetings so 11 out of 14
meetings I just a few I was on my
honeymoon for one I was on vacation one
and I was sick once um but after that it
says um as a result of this the Township
Board is charging me with nonfeasance
which is basically saying I didn't do my
job um I'm not sure if you're aware of
the town the Planning Commission bylaws
but there is no attendance requirement
in there so I would like to know what is
the validation for this
charge I would i' also like to
know how the board voted on this this
was not conducted during an open meeting
all decisions of the Township Board are
to be conducted at open meeting public
meeting per the open meetings Act Right
is is that correct can I ask the
attorney if that's correct or maybe he
can he can specify that later why am I
getting yelled at from the crowd please
be quiet it's my time to talk he's
yelling
shush come on come
on needs to stop
tell him great that's ridiculous come on
John finish please John finish please I
I'll finish when I'm ready yep so the
Township board made this
decision Clos doors not in a public
meeting the reason why they have the
open meetings act so all the public can
see how they voted it's about
accountability to the residents the
accountability so I want to know how
each of you voted on this issue
I'm I'm I'm asking for that and I'm
asking for it in a public meeting I want
to hear from Sarah and Herm and Pam and
Greg and Jen and Dean and Chris I want
to know how each of you provided input
on this and what what evidence did you
review to make this
determination can you provide that
tonight during a public meeting which
you should have because you didn't do it
in a public meeting that was
illegal can you confirm that with the
attorney I will did did you discuss this
with the attorney before you made that
decision I did not you did not did
anyone on the board discuss that with
the attorney I didn't even know there
was a letter nor have I seen a copy and
there's that's another good question was
anyone on the board unaware that this
took place
resp I would ask you one of you board
members to please ask the attorney to
chime in on this can you respond
chalk any act by the Township board has
to be made at a public he thank you
thank you
meeting can you ask the attorney if he
was during a public meeting can you ask
the can one of your board members ask
the attorney if he discussed this issue
at all with any board
members chuck if he discussed it with
any board members I've learned of the
fact this has happened over the last
couple days I've had members of the
board call me talk to me and yes so I
knew this had happened I did not know it
before it happened
understood thanks for that information
and I would like um each of you to speak
to who supported this and who did not
thank
you it's
clearly are there any other public
comments
uh thank you John Ward uh the
information that you gave me uh makes me
take a little walk down memory
lane charging them with nonfeasance for
80%
attendance Mr
supervisor I can recall your attendance
as the zba chair and that's calling
that's the kettle calling the pot black
you should really take a look at your
numbers before you start accusing people
of things that you were guilty of that's
hypocrisy
sir thank you you didn't announce who he
is
[Music]
show any other public comment
all
right hi Bill Bill
wood Tyrone Township
resident I guess I'm uh just very
disappointed I've been a resident for 50
years in this Township I probably have
dealt with pretty much anybody in here
at one point or another um to have my
name basically
slander that you are going to get kicked
off the township Planning Commission is
just disgusting to me I I am very upset
about
it I uh honestly don't know how to react
to it I like things simple I thought
this was going to be a a good transition
that we might get along the board and
the Planning Commission but this is just
ridiculous what happened to us we
shouldn't have to go through this
um when I signed up for this thing
everybody probably knows what I do for a
living I'm 24hour 7day a week business
person and I may get a phone call right
now and have to leave so you can ask Mr
Cunningham when I signed up I told him I
may not make it to every
meeting so that was already out on the
table when I took this
position that's all I got to say
Garrett lad Harland Road um I'm also
part of the Planning Commission as well
uh Greg Dean Chris I don't really have
relationship with you but I've had
relationships with both of you guys um
same thing Billy said I get text
messages from people on ran Lake saying
why are you getting kicked off the
Planning Commission I also own my own
business um never would have thought
that you guys would do something like
that um again re reiterating what Billy
said I thought this was going to be a
smooth smooth sailing process and um
yeah been here for a long time my whole
life my family's been on running Lake
for 100 years so it's one of those
things that it's disappointing to see
and then just the absolute chaos in here
that's just
it's insane so I hope you guys can
figure it out but I do strongly agree
someone needs to be punished because you
can't just get away with this whether
that has to be legally or whatever but
this is this is ridiculous so thank
[Applause]
you de de a cipher Walnut Shores um I'm
just here to say I don't know the
legalities um would never claim to on
what has transpired with the Planning
Commission but I can say that this
Planning Commission in my opinion over
the last several years has not acted in
the best interest of the township
they've not enacted the ordinances they
they've not implemented the master plan
plan the way that they should have they
have not had any sort of communication
on a regular basis with the residents in
the township they've canceled meeting
after meeting after meeting uh
attendance does
matter and
anytime change is brought
in it's going to create uh hard feelings
with people that were already there but
I I do believe that change is necessary
and changes necessary on that Planning
Commission because I don't believe that
they have been doing their job in the
best interest of the township so thank
[Applause]
you is that
it
okay my
intent was to not remove any planning
commissioner my intent was to try to get
discussion between this board and the
Planning Commission board I went about
it
incorrectly that is why I did what I
did it's all on
me I just want a discussion between the
two boards publicly
that's also why I changed item
five on the
agenda we're just going to have to have
a one-way
discussion all right
uh moving on to unfinished
business do we have
anything
no all right then we'll move right into
new
business
um the authorization to take legal
action against property owners for uh
zoning violation you've all had a chance
to look at
that uh this has been going on for
looking for my sheet here this has been
going on for quite a while
um uh after uh many requests there was a
house fire in uh just a summary
for for the residents there was a house
fire on April 6
2023 it was a total loss and in need of
demolition you can see some of the
pictures there was a partial
demolition then the owners sold the
property to
another
owner and the demolition is still not
complete It's actually an extremely uh
it's a safety hazard I mean uh kids
could easily get play and get hurt in
that
area uh we've been going back and forth
with the current
owners uh we had Chuck send them a
letter and uh never heard respon no
response so I I mean the the um the
zoning Administration we're we're at our
wits end so uh I I think we only have
one more choice and that's for uh for to
take legal
action so I'm uh looking for uh approval
from the board to do that I have a
question for Chuck what do you recommend
Chuck legal action legal action okay um
that's the only way you're going to at
least move the ball a little bit but if
I can give you a little bit of
background
um just based on my experience
Prosecuting these violations of the
beautification ordinance is that um we
can bring an action against them we can
get a judgment against them then to get
them to do what the Judgment tells them
to do is another problem in our system
we may go back to court several times in
front of the judge asking that the judge
find the individuals in contempt for
failure to follow through with the court
or
and it takes quite some time but even if
there
is action by the court the bottom line
is if the people don't have the money to
do what needs to be done it's not going
to get done we have a judgment out
against another property in the township
there's a partially um caved in building
I think it's on Old 23 somewhere yes uh
the judge gave
that indiv owner ample time to either
demolish the structure and remove the
debris or to rehabilitate it and when I
say rehabilitate it that means they have
to do it with the approval of the County
building
department after almost a year and a
half of the judge repeatedly ordering
this person either to demolish or
rehabilitate I finally got the judge to
Grant an order requiring to be
demolished and then after repeated
attempts to enforce that I got the judge
to allow the township to enter the
property to demolish the structure and
to haul away the debris that would be at
the Township's cost but they would have
a right to recover that cost in the
normal uh ways that we can so the
Township board has to remember if you're
going to take action on things like this
it could be a long battle and at the end
of the day you have to make the decision
does the Township Board want to
authorize the expenditure of funds to
remove the violation and then hope to
recover it in the normal course and I
can't predict um whether the that was
one of my questions was does it make
sense for the township to clean it up
and place a lean on the property can can
we can we do something like that and get
our money back we can we can ask the
court for an order allowing us to do so
keep in mind it will probably take
several trips back to the court to to
get them to go from giving the homeowner
the option of taking care of it before
the township then has the right to go do
it themselves and then place a lean on
the property uh depending on which judge
we have depending on whether the
homeowner shows up and makes their case
why they should have more time a lot of
those factors go in but at the end of
the day if they don't have the financial
capacity to do that then the township is
going to have to make the decision
whether the township wants to clean up
the violation and hope to recover the
money but I I certainly recommend the
litigation because if not the ball's not
moving
anywhere chck on the uh litigation as
far as like recovery could you for
example I did a lot of work in Flint on
tree work when they had a dangerous tree
there they put that that right on the
tax roll and the person the homeowner
had to pay for that whatever the cost
was to remove the tree they just put it
right on their tax roll and if they
couldn't do that then they seized the
property and the city took it back I can
ask the court for an order to allow us
to place it on the tax rules but you
know what the process is to foreclose on
tax it's that's another several year
process
potentially um but nonetheless you can
get the the the site cleaned up
um and then it's just a question of
attempting to
collect I make a
motion
support all in favor
I uh any
oppose all right well Chuck will I don't
think I said I so I'm just adding that
for the record
I have the sufficient information to
draft the complaint and get it filed so
if the uh the Township Board is
authorizing me to do so I'll prepare the
complaint I'll get it file all right all
right good thank you all right thank
you all right item two
um discuss a a possible board uh meeting
format modification and uh that was
uh uh the board is some of the board
members have asked about having uh more
uh public comment in between each uh
each item on the
agenda uh I went to uh MTA training
Michigan Township and
um it's uh it's really not recommended
to
uh to function as the business we we
really need to keep it uh that portion
of the of the meeting to a minimum with
public but I've also added number six on
this which is uh where we'll discuss
having a a different format meeting
where there'll be more discussion yes uh
opportunity between the board and the
residents so my recommendation there is
to not change the current business
format we
have um but I'm open for discussion with
any of you board
members who brought it up to you to add
more between every option I mean you
have the public right at the beginning
and you have it at the end I mean they
could look through here and see and I
understand that stuff happens but I like
the idea that you're doing this so we
can answer back I also attended that
Michigan thing today Sarah and I did and
we are not to respond back when somebody
ask me a direct question I can't respond
in this thing it's not for that the
workshop it would be correct the law to
respond it's not it's it's it's highly
re it's in the Michigan Township
Association not to respond back this is
just for board thing that's it so it's a
recommendation well the majority I asked
that question in my training and the
majority of the
townships in Michigan operate just like
this
I I brought that up Herman to from you
were asking who brought it up and to me
it makes sense to discuss an issue
between the board on an agenda item and
get the public comments for that issue
it's very difficult as a resident that
I've experienced myself to make public
comments on something before it's even
discussed by the board or to wait until
the end of the meeting and discuss a
public comment after the board has voted
because sometimes the residents have
very important information that we may
as a board have not considered so taking
a short public comment time after each
agenda item could be beneficial to us
especially with uh getting information
from the public and we have a very
knowledgeable public body of residents
that's why I brought it up well I agree
with that but I have also attended in
fact does not have the problem we have
what they have is workshops a lot of
stuff is handled there it is completely
different than this I've attended
several in fact just a couple weeks ago
they have a workshop they talk about it
they set it up in a more of a relaxed
setting Su with the board and then we
can respond back to the citizens when
they ask us stuff and it eliminates a
lot of this stuff because really what
the board thing is is strictly to do
Township business that's it it's not a
conversation to have with the audience
is to strictly do Chuck am I right can
you help me on this you're correct
Workshops the township doesn't take the
official business you discuss things you
hear from the public you can answer
questions the Township board meeting
you're here to conduct the business and
uh the supervisor is correct the vast
majority of townships they listen to the
public and they don't interact
with can I I want to clarify a couple
things about workshops because I've been
doing a lot of research on this and
looking into what other communities do
like Herman said we went to training
today and I know that's a different
agenda item but it's directly related to
the conversation we're having here so my
understanding is that workshops or a
work
session it's not just um a back and
forth conversation with the residents it
still has structure where there's you
call the meeting to order there's a
public comment the meeting gets
adjourned um and so it's not just like a
a town hall where we're all having
conversations about issues um today I
learned that there are two types of
Township meetings and the work session
or Workshop would fit
within potentially a regular board
meeting so one idea would be to think
about our first board meeting of the
month incorporating a work session on a
very specific topic or two um because it
is set up to be more of a a discussion
amongst the board and a Q&A it's not
meant to be something that is voted on
in that moment so for public engagement
if we were willing to have those larger
discussions as a board during a work
session when that is adjourned going
forward it wouldn't move from work
session to board agenda until it's ready
to be voted on so there's a window of
time for the public and the residents to
bring feedback to the board um whether
that's through email phone calls or
inperson meetings um but but it's an
open discussion amongst the board during
the work session I just I feel like
maybe that's a way to build that
engagement piece in a little more
effectively because really the board
meeting has to be to conduct board
business it is the only opportunity that
the seven of us have to meet together
and get through the business that we
have to conduct so if we can incorporate
that work session somehow I just think
it would improve
efficiency that's well let me let me be
clear just to to clarify because it
seems as though you interpreted what I
said to have open discussion dialogue
back and forth with the residents before
uh what I'm suggesting is to split our
comment
time so that the residents have a chance
to provide comments right after agenda
item I've also recommended in the past
where uh the last board meeting and got
voted down to add to the agenda the
workshopping so I'm absolutely all for
workshops without question so I just
want to make sure it's clear that I'm
not opposed to workshops and I look
forward to that part of the discussion
but for here I was simply looking at the
idea of having public comments that are
relevant to the agenda item so that the
public has a chance to comment after
they hear our discussion but before we
vote that was as simple as all as it was
and uh I just want to make sure we're
clear on that I appreciate that I heard
other comments about you know back and
forth with the public and that's really
not what a workshop or work session is
so that was why I commented the way I
did Chu do you work with other
communities have workshops great and
Township how does that
go uh it goes similar to a meeting but
no official business is uh taken up the
members do have a call to the public
actually a couple of um there is some
interaction between the Township board
members and uh the public as they're
making their
comments um not extensive but it happens
but I will say that Brighton Township
has more stuff going on yeah entire own
Township and so their workshops are are
really more intense and to get through a
workshop they can't really open it up to
as as Sarah would say a town hall
meeting type right um it would last
forever are those separate from their
scheduled board meetings or is it work
they don't occur the same night at the
Township board meeting okay so they they
still have their normal formal business
meeting yes once a month and then maybe
the other meeting they have the call it
a workshop Call It Whatever yeah
any more discussion on number
two no
no all right then we'll move to number
three uh the appointment of a a new
planning
commissioner um I received five
applications
um Ted uh uh Merc uh withdrew his he was
the first applicant he uh withdrew
um uh the time commitment he took
another uh job and responsibility the
second application uh is Abigail uh
carrian um she is uh extremely um
talented and um uh go get her go get her
done girl um she's currently working on
stuff with the Livingston County uh
planning
department
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the third application was Zach Tucker I
think most you know him he's a former
board member and a uh attorney with
legal
experience the fourth application was
Steve uh
ainson I think I saw Steve some where
yeah there um he uh if you're not
familiar he ran as a trustee he's a
Township resident for uh quite some
time and then the uh the fifth applicant
was John Stevenson who uh is a Township
resident on uh ran lake has uh 25 years
with the uh
Detroit uh police department and then
another uh I don't know 10 or 15 with uh
uh Township on the east
side Clinton Clinton Township I believe
it is so uh extensive experience in law
enforcement
um in the past uh the supervisor would
offer when I was on the zoning board of
appeals he would come to me with
applicants and and ask for my opinion I
extended that same courtesy to John
Ward uh seem as how this is he's the
chairman of that board I I valued his
opinion and uh both him and I um come
kind of to the same conclusion that we
felt that the uh the uh legal experience
of Zack Tucker would be the best uh fit
for the current opening on the
board but uh I believe
the applicants are here uh if not but
uh I ask each of them and I think
they're available to answer any of your
questions do we want to bring them M and
see why they want to be part of it just
to get why they want to be part of this
I only know a few of them I don't know
all of them okay well did you interview
all of them right I talked to each of
them yes individually I didn't talk to
them face to face all of them some of
them was on the
phone um but uh you talk to every one of
them why you
don't chall you on
that so do you have any questions of any
of I don't have any questions I'm ready
to make a motion I have some questions
okay uh I just would uh you know like to
clarify because because you didn't have
a discussion with uh John Stevenson so
we just for the record according to John
but um I'd like to ask if if Zack
Tucker's your pick I'd like to ask a few
questions
sure good evening happy to answer any
questions you might have hi Zach um
so what
uh with with regard to uh your slot on
the Township Board uh and not winning
the
election the people seem to have spoken
pretty loudly for change right and so
what do you believe would qualify you
than to have this reward of a Planning
Commission position uh with with the
Planning Commission uh even though the
public didn't have the confidence to
reelect you as a Township Board trustee
I guess I'm not sure that I necessarily
agree with your characterization of the
circumstances that being said um
my so I I work at a law firm I've been
working at a law firm for oh be 13 years
now um I do all sorts of work there some
of which is representing businesses
Gennesse County Livingston County
Oakland County uh the decision that
businesses make are are quite similar to
the decisions that are made by the
Township Board um I can offer my
expertise in that general area we also
handle a lot of real property disputes
so you know some of the issues like what
were before the board this evening I
have experience litigating those in
court can commiserate with Chuck's
experience in terms of some of the
difficulties that the township faces um
and there's a lot of things that are
going on right now in terms of of the
state government and in terms of efforts
to curtail the ability of our townships
to operate and regulate and you know
that's an area where my legal expertise
is is particularly important um because
at least from my perspective anyway we
want to do everything we can retain that
ability to to regulate our Township so
I've got a lot to offer um I'm here to
work with uh the township and I'm I'm
happy to serve and quite frankly just
about any manner that I can which is why
I'm here I'm not here for a reward or or
an honor um I'm here to try and help the
place that I love and I live
so do you um I'm sorry I just to follow
up real quick uh so those litigations of
course that are in front of the state
government are important but I never
heard you bring them up and all the time
that I've been attending Township board
meetings in the past were they not
relevant for then well that that's
actually not true I ask you a question
it's not I mean okay well I guess if I'm
not allowed to respond I'm not sure not
sure how to please I thought I thought
okay um that that's not true and in fact
there were several occasions some of
which were very recent um that I voted
against what I would have probably
otherwise voted as a board member
because of the potential legal
ramifications of a decision I'm not
going to compromise uh a position that
the township may have by giving more
detail than that um but it's happened on
several occasions and
so all right thank you Zach no problem
thank
you so you move to make all right I uh
looking for a motion to make my my
recommendation to Zack Tucker so moved
I'll
second all in favor I I oppose
no all right Zach thank you thank
you all
right my uh amended agenda discuss the
township I apologize before moving off
that one there is a document in the
meeting packet called the planning
commit three-year term and it looks like
they did insert my name but it's got
information not relevant to me on the
dates so if that could be corrected if
it's an official document uh that needs
to be corrected that was already
corrected that was just so that we all
understood the term limits and how
they're staggered so it had been removed
but it was done after this packet okay
yeah all right it's been fixed okay just
verifying I'm just trying to keep every
document that's related to the uh uh to
the township
accurate thank
you okay so uh number five we're good
discuss the Township's current uh uh
position regarding the wind battery
solar ordinances and master plan um uh I
spoke with Jennifer who has had a
conversation with Laura
of uh Foster and Swift and uh would you
like
to I I guess you and I have had a
conversation maybe you can tell the rest
of the board um so I had a conversation
with Laura on December 10th um I had
asked her originally why when we did the
master plan why we wouldn't have
Incorporated the solar wind and um
battery and she said that it is not it
was not necessary she and I'm going to
read her what she's
what she said so I don't mess it up um a
master plan is not an end all Beall it's
a guideline for planning purposes it's
reviewed um intended to be reviewed
every 5 years and amended every 10 years
it is not going to hurt you if the wind
battery and solar are not in the master
plan in fact many communities just added
the new ordinances because of the new
state laws that were passed in October
um and they do not have them in their
Master plans um ordinances our ordinance
and defined overlay map is what protects
the township and will be uphold in
court um right now the law defines the
utility solar scale solar wind and
energy facilities are not and they're
out of our hands um that's why you know
the 80 townships went together and
joined on that appeal with them um she
advised that we sit tight and see how
the appeal plays out um and her question
was to the board why would you want to
spend more money on something when we
have no control over it right now and
that means
amending why would we ask to amend that
um when we've already finished that
process and it's out of our hands so on
all that goes through the appeal process
and if we win that and get that control
back um then that
should then at that time I have a
question question may may I ask a
question about that please I'm sorry
were you finished that's uh so two
things the U the litigation by Foster
Swift and about 80 approximately 80
townships is not about
p233 it's about the mpsc's
interpretation or reinterpretation of
the law so the p233 still stands as the
law as it's written so the challenge is
not to the law it's the mpsc's
interpretation of the law which is quite
different so it doesn't protect us from
the law being executed in that sense if
if there it doesn't stop applicants from
uh applying under the PA 233 it simply
is challenging mpsc trying to interpret
the law that which uh which Foster Swift
is is suggesting it's not lawful for
them to do under but it also takes it
out of our hands we have no say over a
certain correct me if I'm wrong Chuck
over a per certain uh acreage we have no
say the town has no say they can come to
us and ask for it or they can just go to
the state bypass us all together that's
correct that's the power power grab by
the state well and really if if you have
specific questions we ought to get Laura
here yeah yeah absolutely which which we
have asked for um the other the other
part of asking the Planning Commission
to revisit the
ordinances is not about changing or
trying to challenge PA
233 it's to tighten up the things that
fall outside of PA 233 for example
requiring uh requiring any applicant to
commit to uh independently verified I
e519 uh code adherence or the uh
Electrical uh the national electrical
safety uh code uh
289d and 90 I'm sorry and 92 92d and two
uh I'll get the numbers there are
electrical codes that are required by
law to be implemented which not all
installers are um are adhering to after
the fact and so in these particular
instances our ordinances don't have this
specific language to ensure that they do
which can act as a
deterrent against applicants because
it's quite expensive to be independently
verified and things of that nature
that's one example other examples are uh
being able to the fact that we have put
in our solar I'm sorry the battery and
the wind ordinances today that we would
comply with PA 233
appropriately but nothing below the
mandated
p233 would be allowed in our Township at
all it's completely prohibited but for
solar we chose not to prohibit
commercial in industrial we chose to
instead write it so that you could in
install commercial industrial on say 25
acres 50
acres below the minimum standard of what
PA 233 is is requiring from us and and
so one of the other things to do is to
look at have the discussion in the
planning committee in the planning uh
commission commission to be able to
discuss these types of changes do we
want to prohibit below that but then
tighten up the provision to allow
residential for example because
residents have the right to put a solar
installation on their house for
residential purposes and I've considered
it myself so it's these types of things
that are not considered mandated in PA
233 that are important part of
rediscussed
that we hadn't considered uh with regard
to the other two ordinances to make sure
we're as tight as possible in light of
these two very important
examples any thoughts or questions for
me no with I'll do with respect um the
board or the um residents wished for us
to consult with someone um that this is
their major right thank Laura that's
what she does and we did that the board
did that um the previous board did that
and this these ordinances were written
with her help um with the man with the
planning commission's help um well with
with Chris on that board
now I think you can bring that to light
um with the rest of the members of the
commission so that I
mean they can definitely have those
conversations yeah you can be a part
part of that it's all we're talking
about it's having the discussion having
the conversation why I'm glad you're on
that
board hey Greg I have a question for
Chuck do you recommend Chuck that we
bring Laura in on our January 7th
meeting for question if you're going to
discuss this matter on that date
absolutely or do we wait for the appeal
like what do we do H it it sounds like
you have she said to wait can I can I
say something Laura we're in
conversation with Laura yes the
zoning we're we're we're talking I just
wanted to ask Chuck with he his
recommendation y if if you're going to
have specific questions on this right if
there's a disagreement amongst board
members on what the law says you ought
to have your expert here Yep this is a
Cutting Edge thing you need people that
deal primarily with that issue exactly
does the board need to take an action in
order for the Planning Commission to
discuss these ordinances
what do you mean by does it have to take
action like does the board need to
necessarily make a motion to approve
anything or can the Planning Commission
simply discuss that this is something of
importance we no we cannot direct the PC
we cannot direct so then I guess I don't
understand what we're trying to but you
have you have a liaz on from the board
the PC he he's our Chris is our guy I
understand that okay and so the matter
can come to life at the PC through the
Thea on if that's what is going to
happen or any of the other members on
the PC
okay am I missing something I no I'm
just trying to discuss Township business
at the board that's the whole purpose of
discussing this that's it got it and
that's really that's really what number
five is about it really no I'm not
looking for a resolution or any vote
just a
discussion okay and and hopes that uh
the next meeting Chris as he gets going
will update us on what's going on in the
in the Planning Commission at every
meeting correct that's the goal thank
you
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um so are we good to move on yep all
right moving on to number six
which is the uh discussion of uh future
workshops which we kind of touched down
already um I am uh I
am well Sarah talking with Pat
Lockwood um um I haven't confirmed that
she can attend okay uh we were talking
with
the possibly having Pat Lockwood come in
the former mayor of uh of Fenton to
discuss how they ran their
workshops and
um she's currently a councilwoman on the
she was never a mayor she was mayor of
pro town but she's a councilman and she
was also a state representative okay
thank you you're
welcome I'm also considering discussing
with you uh when we redo our uh
meeting schedule uh hopefully by then we
we're scheduled out to what the end of
March yes is that correct the end of
March uh hopefully by April May we'll
we'll have some kind of a of a plan
where we have our our business meeting
and our Workshop meetings scheduled out
where the residents can they know which
ones to come to to be a part of or which
ones to be just
uh in in attendance to watch the
business
happen uh any other questions or
discussions in regards to that nope so
you want to wait till March before we
have a workshop is that what you're
saying
I I don't want to wait but I also want
to make you aware that if we schedule
meeting outside the scheduled ones it's
uh it's costing the taxpayers so yeah
it's called a special meeting right
that's right right and it'll it'll I
mean we can certainly talk about that if
we get far enough along where yep we
know what we're going to do at a
workshop we can discuss that in uh and
I'll schedule
one but be aware it's there a price I'd
like to request a a detailed list of the
costs so that I can understand what the
costs of having a special meeting our
but line item please so for just the
four trustees it costs
$83 in 8 cents for each meeting that you
attend so that's understand part of the
cost of course but that's part but I'd
like to know what the
costs collectively are for publishing
publication is what your asking right
right well you can provide that to me by
email break I need a breakdown in
writing
please okay so everybody's okay waiting
until minimum march to have any kind of
workshops that seem to be very important
to many of the people on this board can
we not like when they were just asking
when we were at MTA
today and maybe I missed
misunderstood the lady doing the
presentation said that within a board
meeting we can add to an agenda a work
session as an item and have that focused
on one big
topic the purpose being because a a work
session is where you would talk about a
larger topic like the budget or
strategic planning or something that
requires um no necessary board action in
that moment but perhaps the Board needs
the opportunity to have those deeper
discussions and then it would you
wouldn't vote on that topic in that work
session it would move then to another
agenda for a vote can we simply add the
idea of work sessions into our agenda
and our Forward Thinking planning for
those bigger topics is that possible I
mean do we need to adopt any new meeting
structure to do that or can we put it in
miscellaneous business
at the
end I don't know Chuck do you know the
answer to that you can do that just it
as an agenda item you can have it as an
agenda item and treat it the way you
want the problem that you may face is is
the length of the meeting depending on
what the topic is and you know that's
just a decision you have to
make and my experience is with three
townships this Township iasco Township
which nothing happens in outo Township
and Brighton Township where there is a
lot of stuff that happens and so when
you have a lot of stuff that happens and
you want to have workshops it's
impractical to have it at the same
meeting as the business meeting you can
try it to see what it's like or you can
just simply schedule to have a workshop
meeting separate from the business
meeting is that something that we want
to try let's say for the January meeting
like if we added that on
on that first meeting of the month and
then we had those conversations there's
there's already quite a few things
coming down the line for Jan January 7th
February or maybe move it to the second
January meeting but if we're going to be
having conversations deliberating
towards a decision yeah we'd be making
at the second meeting so we want to have
it at the
first wherever we start it would just
move to the next right I mean if we
start at the second meeting in
January then you know it would just move
to the next agenda for a vote if it was
ready if that's something that's needed
at that time I'm just thinking maybe
that that is a
um possible way to try out that format
it's new um and then you know if we find
that we need to add an additional
meeting we can look at those costs when
we're thinking about the calendar
it might be a a compromise for the time
being um I don't know another example is
um I believe a couple townships also
have a workshop before their regular
meeting like an hour prior so you have
an hour
to conduct a workshop and then our
original business meeting would start at
700 and that's good idea what township
I'd have to let you know okay can I cat
understand this we're we turn down
adding comments between agenda items
because it's going to make the meeting
too long but now we want to add a
workshop into our agenda that what I'm
understanding a workshop structure and
purpose is different than public
comments it's a single agenda item that
you're going have a workshop on yes but
the purpose of a workshop is for the
board to giving them the opportunity to
speak in between each agenda it it's
going to going to cost us too much time
but we're going to do that instead the
difference Dean is we can respond to the
audience here in a board meeting we
can't if somebody asked me a specific
question I could answer
that the question is the question is you
said we weren't going to put agenda
items or response on agenda items in
between because it's going to extend the
meeting too much but yet you're going to
add a workshop in the agenda okay on and
that's not going to make it and the
reason is can I tell you what the reason
is I'm talking about l meting okay but
we can't okay they can do that if you
want them to respond on every single
item what is the purpose of that you're
missing my point you turned it down
because it was going to make the meeting
too long okay now you're going to add a
workshop which is going to make the
meeting too
long it's not just the meeting too long
Dean it's not recommended and then the
other townships I understand they don't
do
that well we do have to just keep it in
mind that just because other people do
it that way it doesn't make it that we
have to do something we're trying to
explore new things so that we have
additional things that are changed well
I think some of the things that we've
explored are not
working y well the other thing Chris is
we can wait till the end of March to
have one it's either we have one before
if that's what they want to do or we can
wait till May to do it sure so that's
the choice
and that's what we're having a
discussion yep if we don't want to have
a lengthy meeting then we can wait till
April or May to have the first Workshop
stand
alone I also think we need to consider
not only cost but the time if we're
adding meetings to our calendar outside
of our two regularly scheduled board
meetings that's also asking more of our
Clerk and our
Deputy um in terms of just minutes and
time and being here so I'm not I'm not
saying it's not
possible um or even that I have an
opinion on that yet all I'm saying is um
there are a lot of pieces to consider
sure and we could also drop a box in the
back and let the residents decide what
they
want because we do work for
them can I make a quick comment
on not right now no
write it
down all
right so moving on to we could we could
have more discussion at our next
board this information on cost sure
thank you yeah yeah the cost uh maybe
we'll have
Pat Uh Lockwood here uh I mean this is
not a this is not going away we're going
to and I'm still not saying we can't
talk between each one but this meeting
is not really set up for
that all right number seven uh the uh
moratorium on the uh medical marijuana
it's for an extension we're looking for
an extension it expires
tomorrow so this would extend it out six
months to June six month extension on
the medical uh
marijuana moratorium I'm looking for an
ex a motion to extend that before we do
that I want to ask Chuck what he thinks
of it if the township is actively
reviewing the matter then you can do
that I
can I can tell you that the Planning
Commission the Planning
Commission is actively pursuing that and
that
um we
will they're working on it Chuck let me
say this about
moratoriums
um if there are people that don't want
to challenge the moratorium then it's
okay if there are people that want to
challenge it they can do so in court if
the township is actively working at it
and especially if it's a Cutting Edge
issue in law
then the moratorium is probably going to
be found valid it's when a court thinks
that a moratorium is being
imposed as a way to keep a use out of
the township so if the township is
actively seeking to formulate what it
believes is the best policy for the
township then by all means you can
consider enacting the
moratorium but we should be actively
looking at the issue can John answer on
that
can you can you give us an update on it
John yeah tomorrow it's on the agenda
and uh Ross has uh Laura I I I wasn't I
wasn't sure how much I could discuss I
didn't want yeah we have the attorney
lined up doom and the new um still here
and the new uh planning consultant also
has experience in mmma right um so going
to be working it starting tomorrow yeah
does that qualify you it sounds like
you're working on it yeah Laura actually
I I didn't realize it but Laura has uh
some pretty extensive experience in the
uh medical marijuana area as well as the
green energy
so so that's a good thing I'll make a
motion to
extend I have a motion to extend support
that should be a resolution resolution
okay
sorry resolution to extend
second um second all right all favor we
have to do a
roll
resolution Sarah dolman Jersey
yes Herman Ferguson yes Greg Kar yes
Jennifer Eden yes Dean hos yes
Chris Retta yes Pam monther
yes all right moving on to number
eight the uh extraction
moratorium I think that one this
we got
a it expired yeah it expired okay so I
I'm looking at reinstating the uh
extraction moratorium looking for a
resolution to do that another 6
months I think I believe it would be a
new for six months y new for six months
where are we at with that right
currently
um the the
um Planning Commission is is working on
that you want to you want to comment on
that we've discussed it at a number of
meetings we're down to the last edits um
Ross we the Planning Commission at the
last meeting gave Ross direction to
schedule the public hearing hold the
public hearing and most likely U take
action on
it after that so getting close so it's
been discussed it's been discussed at
every meeting um since we started
working on
so again it it's a moratorium that we
can
show that you're working we are actively
working
correct so I have a res resolution
resolve
second roll call Jennifer Eden yes Chris
Reta yes FM Ferguson
yes Sarah dolman Jersey yes Dean hos yes
Greg KS yes ham moer
yes all right uh item number nine uh
acceptance of the resignation of uh John
whis um John uh served on the board of
review for over 35 years I don't know if
he's here or not but thank you
John for your uh for your public
service so do I have a motion to accept
his resignation I make a
motion I'll
second all in favor I I
oppose all right item number 10 uh I
recommend uh uh Nicole uh blackenstein
to uh Phill John's
vacancy um I think they're going to have
some questions for you
Nicole I hate to put you on the spot
but I kind of got put on the
spot can you tell this new board a
little bit of your back experience with
the township yeah I have worked in the
zoning department several a couple
different
capacities um every time they need me to
come in for a project or anything I'm
always willing to do
whatever is necessary um I also work for
the
clerk um as a chairperson in
elections again whatever capacity the
township needs me to work in and I
understand those position is available
and I'd be more than happy to fill
it I'm not guaranteeing I'll be here for
35
years but um 34 come
on SO call you already have a working
relationship with some of the members
here in the township yep okay most of
them in in uh What uh particular
experience in the border of re uh in the
on the bard of review would
you I I know you you you've worked with
uh Alexa have you or I'm trying to see
where
the not following that I I don't know
where you're what connection you're
trying to draw on the border review I
know nothing about the board of review
okay um that's where I I'm going to take
a class just like you guys are taking
classes how to conduct a meeting okay
that's where I was going I'm going to
learn how to do whatever it is board of
review does okay the time constraint is
is not too much for me I'm I'm signed up
for Border review too are you yeah good
it's my statutory Duty I got to figure
it out there you
go
yeah any other questions
no I that was what I was looking for
just to get an orientation to what what
your background was and your involvement
with the township up to this point I
think I'm just I'm happy to that's
helpful help wherever I think um and I'm
interested in learning what the process
is all about know all right and being
able to explain it to other people
because to me it's just kind of a
mystery right
now all right thank you Nikki great at
that um she really stepped up to the
plate and helped out our Township with
the N9 days of early voting um committed
to doing that and the additional
training uh so she's very knowledgeable
about that and um you know very
supportive with the team works well with
the team so and reliable thanks P thank
you along with your MTA training Alexa
will be a great mentor for you yeah oh
she's already got I I make a motion if
there's no other questions that we
accept you I'll
second all right all in favor I I I
oppose thank all right welcome aboard Oh
thanks thank
you all right then I uh also got another
application from uh from Perry green uh
as a as a alternate for the uh border
review
um he's uh I don't know if he's here is
Perry here no he's not he's not um Perry
is uh has uh real estate he's in real
estate
um and uh again I I think he's in the
same position as Nicole as far as uh
needing the training but uh again he's
he's familiar with the real estate and
so I I recommend we we have a
alternate uh that's
trained so that we don't get
caught like we just
did Greg if there are't any questions I
make a motion for your recommendation
support all right thank you all in favor
I I oppose
all right
um is there any miscellaneous business
that we need to discuss there's nothing
on the agenda but um I do just want to
say on the
record that I think we need to respond
to the concerns raised by the Planning
Commission as an agenda item so that we
can
discuss
um you know we every one of us up here
has a fiduciary responsibility to
protect the
township and I'm deeply concerned at
what was shared tonight and I think we
need to add it as an agenda item since
it is not an agenda item tonight to the
next board meeting and make sure that we
appropriately respond to what was shared
and the concerns
expressed I'm in agreement with that we
should have a conversation at the board
table at our next board meeting
I
agree so do
I
MH
so you're going to put that on the
agenda for next
okay thank you it's fine there's
all right any other miscellaneous
business all right um public yeah yes
Scott chair Scott detri White Lake Road
um Zack Tucker was a good choice
although in the future I want to get
back to the board selecting the
applicants where the public can have the
applicants all come up and state
their reputations on the line then you
guys can vote on uh I'd like to have
something put on the agenda next meeting
I want the deputy
supervisor I think you guys budgeted for
that in the last budget I'm not sure if
you did but I want I'd like to have that
taken off because I think I elected a
full-time
supervisor um the public
remarks that you were talking about
Chris and I and Janette fought for and
Greg you said you were going to respond
to it we can't keep loading these
agendas up with two hours wor of agendas
to respond to even the call to the
public you want me to rush but I'm
responding to
11 11 if I want to respond to
them we have to police our Township
because
some of the Planning Commission members
don't even go out with I mean i' we've
caught them doing that and
um the applicant will come in here sure
we we got everything on the agenda we
have the packet but they start talking
and things come out and then we know
things that even though we can't get it
out in the public remarks in the
beginning they'll say it during the
meeting and then oh wow that's a gotta
moment it's not that I'm picking on them
it's just that we see it sometimes the
Planning Commission doesn't see it so
yes we do need to respond we don't need
11 items on the agenda four or five some
of us might just come up there's not
that many people in most of these
meetings we might get up and there's
many times basically this will work more
on the Planning Commission than the
board because this stuff will all be
worked out when the applicant comes in
to the Planning Commission so by the
time it gets to you guys it should be
pretty well ironed out anyway okay Chuck
I want to know one
thing you've done a really good job for
our Township and I hope you represent
the people
people and
um you know how can we hold our people
that work in the office here accountable
if people up here aren't
accountable I mean I I I try to hold
people you know if you seen me up
meetings I mean I'm very diligent on
coming to meetings
and I can't sit there and say people in
the office are doing things that I don't
believe they should be doing when we got
board members doing it did these guys
break the
law that's what I think the Planning
Commission was trying to get out of who
voted for this was there laws I mean
it's doesn't right it doesn't smell
right I mean there's seven people up
here you're supposed to be disgusted and
not three guys in the back room and it
just disappoints
me it highly disappoints me I mean
that's not what I expected that's not
what I was
promised I mean come on guys I mean I
want to respect all of you you know I've
work I'll work with any one of you I
don't want to chew your butts up but if
I get wrong if you chew me out if I got
to comeing I got to come okay I've been
down that road I've been in trouble but
I mean we're a community we're trying to
build something here we're trying to
make it better so like I said I don't
know what's going to happen but what if
we get sued what if do these guys have a
lawsuit the townships I mean the people
in townships got to pay for
it we're not responsible we weren't the
ones that went in the back room and did
this it wasn't done properly do you
understand how we feel but anyways um
like I said I don't know what's going to
happen but it's things got to change we
are promised change more
transparency and and have workshops is
fine but you do have we we don't need to
have this many agenda items and hey
Planning Commission at least the
Planning Commission I know these guys
John works really good with the people
and John has reached out let people
speak in between on important issues so
I think you know we can we don't need a
lot of it but there's some things we do
come up with that do help you guys
hi I don't know I know some of you but
but not most of you my name is Donna
Fela and I live on Lakeshore Drive in
Tyrone Township I know a few of you most
of you I do not however I read all of
your campaign information very carefully
because I was so excited for this
election I never been involved in any of
these meetings until the asphalt plant I
was appalled at the way the meetings
were run the level of disrespect for the
board and the residents the way the
bickering went it was out it was
outrageous so I was so excited for you
guys
transparency
honesty here we are you know Greg I
don't know you you seem like a great guy
you were supposed to be a full-time
supervisor we had a part-time supervisor
nobody wanted that so are you going to
be part-time are we going to cut your
salary are we going to revote for a new
full-time guy what are we doing here you
guys have opened us up to a huge lawsuit
and there are people Consulting
attorneys now our Township could be
bankrupt what you did was illegal it's
serious I don't want to see that for our
Township I don't think any of you do but
the transparency you can't just say it
and then not mean it so as a resident
who has never been involved in politics
I'm concerned I'm upset because I feel
like we got more the same we jumped from
the frying pan now we're in the fire and
what are we going to do we got people
Consulting attorneys because what you
did was
illegal I'm scared for our community so
I really do hope you guys will all take
this serious know that we are all Hing
and we want it to be made right however
that is so thank you for your time
what the first three weeks
huh um something I got two things I want
to touch on one is very apparent that
some laws were violated the Planning
Commission or the board Township Board
in an effort to remove members from the
Planning Commission were told by legal
council that they could not do
that so they established a non feance
and sent a letter out on behalf of the
Township Board there was no meeting
where this was discussed ruled upon
there's no meeting minutes so one of two
things happened a group of you met
independently violating the open
meetings act or the supervisor went
rogue and decided he was going to
violate and act on behalf of the
Township Board
which leads me to the second thing I
wanted to touch base
on I'd made mention specifically to some
of you about educating yourself and this
is exactly what I'm talking about you
know what you don't know and you made a
lot of false accusations on what you
don't know and you're learning now and I
hope you're embarrassed by some of
those I also want
you to really dive in to that points and
authorities from the MTA because our
Township is exposed financially right
now by lawsuits before you
go jumping the gun again educate
yourself open the book go to the Mt MTA
conferences go to the Mt MTA website
there's lots of valuable tools and
resources in there and the only reason
I'm saying it's because I care about
this Township and I don't want to see
you guys ruin and destroy the general
fund that we spent the last 14 plus
years building because it wasn't there
wasn't a general fund when I got here
and you guys in three weeks have got
that exposed so please educate yourself
thank
you Janette Letta tyone Township
resident I'd like everyone to know who
just spoke that was Mike Cunningham
previous supervisor he was not required
to uh say his name he always insisted
that we say our names when we come up
here this is also the man that looked at
me sorry but this this is the truth you
can go back and watch a video with Chuck
watching with Herman with the ladies
watching as I was shut down in public
comment and told you cannot speak any
longer and I said you had someone speak
14 minutes last meeting he said that was
a public hearing I said can you speak as
long as you want in a public hearing and
Chuck smirked on video and everybody
laughed and let him tell me that and
shut me down so that's who you just had
speak the same guy that was yelling at
me and telling me to go off myself Etc
as he left the parking lot last meeting
and told residents to shut up so that's
who just
spoke okay um the MMA just for clarity
because I I you know it drives me crazy
these meetings where you don't get the
real story out the uh medical
marijuana um uh application and the
ordinance related to it so last Planning
Commission meeting we said did it expire
guess what they told us it expired then
they're like uh no was it the uh
extractive one that expired no that one
didn't expire but the MMA one did so
nobody knew so I came here thinking
tonight that the MMA one expired find
out no it was the other one so you ask
if they're working on it guess what it's
been what three six months that we've
had that particular um uh sorry not
ordinance but um moratorium moratorium
yes and they haven't worked on it so you
talk about being being liable Etc
they've known that we're supposed to be
working on this it's not been on an
agenda for
months so how how is that right and then
we just gloss over it and pretend oh
yeah we're working on it no they have
not been working on it let's be clear
they have not been
sorry I just want to say what I believe
many others in this community would like
to say and by the way if any of you have
ever attended a Planning Commission
meeting um at the county level guess
what they do they're like hey who's here
from Tyrone Township hey could we could
you talk yeah tell us a little bit it
went so smoothly it was so nice it was
so refreshing and and to say and make
that impression that we can't do that we
absolutely can do that a lot of the
things that you guys have talked about
tonight are recommendations by the MTA
which is a lobbyist group and they tell
you that right on their on their website
we are lobbyists so yes they do a lot of
good work but they also have an agenda
as well many in this community probably
feel that they cannot say
this the people of this Township spoke
loudly and clearly during the last
election and made their choice and yet
tonight that choice has been disregarded
So the appointment feels like a betrayal
of the voter's trust especially when
there were other qualified candidates
who could have brought fresh
perspectives and A Renewed sense of
confidence to this Rule and Mr KS you
need to clarify that you did not speak
to everybody because you said and led it
with saying that you spoke to everyone
that applied for that position on the
Planning
Commission and don't look at me with a
question I have the person that's right
here can stand up and say that they
never received a call or anything from
you so um what I'm going to do instead
of reading this I am going to be writing
a detailed accounting about what I've
endured personally as a resident of this
Township and the reason I'm going to do
that is because if I can be treated this
way then anybody can be treated this way
and like the woman that spoke before yes
we did look forward to change and it's
really disappointing to see that
everything that you bra talked about
transparency Etc I mean it just seems
like it's all getting squal and I don't
know somebody's whispering in your ear
telling you not to do certain things I
don't know what it is but I also think
that some clarity should be brought out
about what happened with you presenting
that letter
and did you talk to other board members
maybe not Jennifer maybe not Pam but did
you talk to other board members about
this did you guys have discussions about
things that you wanted to get done and
this was the way to go did other board
members say that they thought the whole
Planning Commission should be gotten rid
of and now they're
backtracking it's just not fair how this
is being handled so hey I might do some
foas I don't know but I think that a lot
of this needs to be brought to light
so again I'm sure everyone's sick of
hearing me talk but I will be publishing
what and and you know and also Greg I
ask and beg of you Greg to take control
of this room to allow a man in the back
to yell at me and call me an idiot I
mean it doesn't surprise me that nobody
said anything you never complained when
the last board member what he said about
me so please take control of this
meeting and please stand up for the
residents and do what you promised
during your campaign thank
you Dean Cipher Walnut Shores um I just
just want to say that I am
disappointed that there are four new
people on the board and the people out
here did vote for new
people and when we have the chance to
put somebody on the Planning
Commission nothing against Zach but we
put somebody back in a spot that has
already been here there's residents out
here that worked very hard to
elect all of these new
people and I just I really feel that a
new applicant should have been
considered instead of same old same old
so and I agree with what Janette just
said about there needs to be some
clarity brought to the situation that
went on with the Planning
Commission because you know what went on
with that
and it needs to be explained thank
you yes
John John Ward Tyrone Township resident
Planning Commission chairman um in
regards to the uh ex the moratoriums in
place there was a little bit of
confusion at the last um uh uh Planning
Commission meeting last Tuesday um you
know it's it's the board's duty to to
set a moratorium and to renew it if
needed um and I think I did misstate
during the meeting for for a minute that
the that the mo the extractive
industrial was about to expire which
that one did expire but for my
calculations um from the June
18th um board meeting minutes there was
a moratorium in place that takes place
that day right right M that that was uh
June 18th and that was 180 day
moratorium so that one expired 2 days
ago that's just my calculation so if you
need to read um reword your resolution I
don't know but that that was my
calculations I kind of did it quick so
please verify that
um um
that's and I as far as um zap Tucker on
the Planning Commission Greg you did
call me and and we discussed that and I
think he's a good appointment it's very
very important to have a good legal
knowledge you know we got to know the
laws the Michigan zoning Act and the um
Michigan planning act um and I don't
someone mentioned before he was a
previous applicant I I'm not aware that
he was a previous applicant for the
Planning Commission I mean he was on the
board before but um I think that was um
a good choice and welcome him to the
Planning Commission thank you
no one
else all right
I like a motion to adjourn I make a
motion one
second all in favor I
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