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okay you say that like it's a bad

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fzy the

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video understand the video was Fuzzy so

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they redid it

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restart so we had to wait

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for our Deputy clerk here Terry

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good job thank you Terry thank you

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Terry well

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done all right I'll uh call the meeting

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to order and and we'll stand for the

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Pledge of Allegiance

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please I pledge of Alle to the flag of

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the United States of America and to the

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Republic for which it stands one nation

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under God indivisible with libery and

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justice for all

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call P please sure GRE cens here

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Jennifer Eden here Sarah dolman Jersey

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here Herman Ferguson here Dean HW here

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Chris Reta here Pam mler

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here all right thank

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you all right uh call for the approval

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of the agenda

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um I do have some amendments I would

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like to make to

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it uh I would like to scratch number

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four and I would like to apologize to

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the PC board and the Township board that

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is not the way to uh have a discussion

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between the two

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boards I would uh like to change the

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verbiage on number

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five to discuss

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the Township's current

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position regarding wind battery solar

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the ordinances and the master plan like

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to bring uh the the board and the

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residents up to date on where we're at

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in relation to

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that uh number I don't want to change

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number six I want to add number seven

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slow me down if I'm going too fast you

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good good okay uh I want to add number

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seven the uh Michigan mariju uh medical

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marijuana

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moratorium extend that number eight the

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extraction

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moratorium extend

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that uh number nine

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accept John

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whis's resignation from the board of

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review number 10 uh

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recommend a

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replacement

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Nicole

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fleckenstein for his

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replacement and then number 11

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recommend Perry green as a alternate for

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that board so we don't get caught in the

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position we're

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in that's it I'm looking for an approval

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for that

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agenda so move to approve the agenda as

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a

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amended that's a lot of changes at the

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table half of which I knew nothing about

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um a lot of this stuff just

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happened in the last day or

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two so I I know and I don't know how

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we're voting to approve recommended

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appointments people I know nothing about

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well the Board review is is really my

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responsibility and

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um I feel that these recommendations

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are are excellent

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recommendations um I've got a staff that

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has helped me confirm him

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so I mean we can move forward with it or

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we could drag it out I'll

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support I'm I'm not comfortable not even

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talking to the to an appointee or having

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them show up to this

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meeting isn't there isn't there a policy

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for process of appointment that's what I

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thought I invited uh both of them Nikki

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is here so I mean when we get to that

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point I think she's I asked her she

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would be here to answer any of your

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questions I do have an application for

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each of them for each one one of you if

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you'd like that I can pass that out

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right

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now can someone confirm if there's a

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board policy the process that we work

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through for all appointments or is that

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only applicable to certain

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appointments I believe for just

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Commissioners so that policy is for the

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Planning Commission it's not for board

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of

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review I I

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couldn't Chu I don't know if we have a

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policy on that or not

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the standard policy is according to the

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manual of page 94 that they do not have

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to post for the position nor do they

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have the interview is discretion of the

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supervisor go point it

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right that's the

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policy that's the MTA rule that is not

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the board we don't have one that

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overrides that that's the one we go by

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well maybe someone should confirm that

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we don't have one and if we do it should

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be followed and they may excellent

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candidates so if those folks are here

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it's not directed at you

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personally it's just

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difficult to not have the information

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that we need to

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have how urgent is the situation to have

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them

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appointed could it not wait until the

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next board meeting well I discussed that

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with um our tax assessors and they were

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like adamant about having to have some

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someone in place the first of the

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year and quite honestly it is the

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supervisor's statutory

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Duty he's responsible for

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those appointments and the tax assessing

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in this Township that is my one of my

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statutory

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duties so I I have to have these people

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in place the first of the year

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I I apologize for the last minute

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but we just well and you can't foresee

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resignation I understand that I mean

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that's why I asked if it was urgent

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timing so I I

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wanted to drag it out to January 7th

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but it's not

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recommended I mean I I'm only one voice

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here if you want to drag it out but I I

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don't think it's the wise

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idea I'm less offended by the um you

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know the the fact that uh well surprise

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of course is always especially because I

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didn't get any notice but I've been

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highly criticized for not notifying

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people and so this uh this is something

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that's uh very offensive however to to

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the due cause

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of ensuring that we have to have

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somebody assigned I want to make sure

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that you amend that to ensure that we

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have the person who were that you're

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recommending come up here for questions

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at least give her a little bit of a

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statement of why they would uh like this

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position so that we can at least have

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some not not blind uh trust in that

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during this

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meeting Nico Nicole yes here you go

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thank

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you well I I think he just wants to know

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you're you're you're available not quite

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well we'll call you up when we get to

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that that point in the agenda I just

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need to get it on the agenda I want to

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make sure you're okay with it thank you

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see she's here she's no I I I understand

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your concern

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Chris I think you have support for uh

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yes all in favor I I any

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oppose all right the agenda will carry

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amended all right I'm looking for

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approval on the consent

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agenda the uh board minutes the

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treasures report Clerk's

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warrant make make a

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motion a

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second

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support all in favor

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I any

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oppose all right uh

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Communications any questions no I

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do um on the Livingston County Sheriff

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report um I noticed that the month of

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November there was a pretty steep

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increase in uh events that took place at

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9% up to 121 events um I do know that

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you know there's there's not sure how

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that was from the same time last year uh

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in other words November of last year

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there's no trending provided for that

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but there's also no trending on the type

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of events that took place is it possible

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to request in the next report that the

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Sheriff's Office if it's possible to

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provide the a little bit more trending

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detail on the actual event types um and

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uh just uh how this compared to the

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previous time

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uh I'm not sure I mean 9% increase of

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events from the sheriff seems pretty

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high and 5% from the state police as

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well so just curious

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right we can uh talk to the Sheriff's

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about that right

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thanks any other questions or

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concerns all

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right gu we'll move

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into have to place was file move to

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place okay move to place those on file

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so I'll move to place number 1 through

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four Communications on file

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support all in favor I

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oppose all right public

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remarks any questions concerns the audio

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off how about now I get a little closer

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same we got it as loud as

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possible I'm not sure we

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can yeah yeah I I think the volume is

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what the volume

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or maybe if you moved further up front

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here where the speakers are use that

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voice you got

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it okay I mean I am coming out okay

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better all right I'll just talk louder

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get closer to I do have a loud voice so

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that shouldn't be a problem public

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remarks

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Janette Janette Retta Tyrone

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Township Tyrone Township resident

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um you can stop me when my time is up

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I've got people that will read for me

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the rest of my

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comment on the agenda tonight is um well

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first of all I wanted to say don't worry

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I'm not here to light any fires but I'm

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also going to ask why everyone's

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pretending that they can't smell the

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smoke

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okay on the agenda tonight is an item to

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appoint someone to the Planning

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Commission the process is clearly

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defined by the law our new supervisor is

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allowed to recommend someone and then

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the board will vote just like he was

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allowed to recommend um those other

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people for board of review or whatever

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it was okay um what this means is he

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gets to decide who he wants to recommend

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for the Planning Commission I learned

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today that he doesn't need to tell you

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who applied he doesn't even need to

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interview the people that applied and

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what I'm hearing is he did not interview

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or speak with everyone who applied so I

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want to emphasize how important it is to

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ensure that this planning commission's

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role reflects the values and trusts of

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the community this position shapes

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decisions that impact us all and it

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requires wisdom perspective and a deep

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understanding of our Township um and

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that that person has gained through

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years of living here and I'd like to

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also remind the board that the

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resident's voices

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matter and one only needs to look at the

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results of the last election to see that

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the people spoke loud and clear about

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who they trust and who they do not for

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those candidates where they had a choice

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and that is information that should

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always be considered when making

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decisions on appointments such as this

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it's also my hope that we'll hear a

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clear explanation tonight who applied

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for this position were they all given a

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chance to explain why they wanted this

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position and how they believe they are

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qualified and what qualifies um

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qualities set the supervisor's

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recommendation apart from others

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transparency is key to maintaining

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public confidence in this process

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let's also remember that the trust in

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leadership comes from listening to the

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people this time how they voted and by

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honoring their input and then appointing

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individuals who reflect the will and

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confidence of the community they serve I

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understand that the supervisor doesn't

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need to do any of these things that I

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suggested but I ask him to remember that

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he ran on the principles of change

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transparency and being honest and open

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with the people and I'm hoping he will

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honor those campaign promises

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tonight and uh can't get your eye well

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there you are oh yeah okay I also want

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to say that um I reached out to a board

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member today that I asked to call

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me and I was told that I shouldn't

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speak that I should not speak anymore

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and that I'm not doing my husband any

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favors by speaking I will speak until

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I'm blue in the face I will exercise my

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right to speak and I highly resent that

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being told to me I consider it more

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intimidation and just like the last

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Administration anybody

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else yes sir

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I'll light that

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fire for

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you thank

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you you all should receive a packet at

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least the board members that I'm not

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talking

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to

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yes how's this

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guys my name is Kevin Ross Harland

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road to the board particularly Greg KS

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Dean hos and Chris Reta three

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weeks this phrase mentioned in a recent

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Facebook post has never felt more

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fitting 3 weeks to violate the law and

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potentially place our town ship at quite

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a significant legal risk on December

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3rd the board convened for the first

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time at least publicly in accordance

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with the open meetings act what

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transpired could be best described as a

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comedy show a spectacle that might find

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a home as a Netflix series if we began

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submitting our own YouTube recordings

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highlights include Dean and Chris

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asserting they knew more about the law

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than our own legal council Chuck here

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paired with the usual Antics from

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certain public watch I mean public

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commenters amid the amid this chaos amid

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this chaos amid the chaos there was one

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at a time amid this chaos there was

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repeated talk of a need to clean up the

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Planning Commission it was a display of

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power hungry rhetoric wrapped in a guise

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of transparency the attempt to twist the

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words of legal counsel to justify

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predetermined outcomes was both

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transparent and appalling it's

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fascinating that Dean and Chris have

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seemingly graduated summum L from the

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Facebook school of law where facts are

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optional and confidence is all you need

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to rewrite Decades of legislation

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clearly there are ulterior motives at

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play fast forward to December 10th when

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the Planning Commission held its

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regularly scheduled meeting after the

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meeting adjourned one Greg KS approached

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my associate Bill wood shook his hand

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and then shook mine What followed was

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shocking Unthinkable and indefensible

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grg kin handed me and my associates an

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official Township document with the

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Tyrone Township letter head a document

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that essentially put the township into a

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large amount of legal trouble if press

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further page three on all of your

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packets let's address the contents of

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this document first it falsely claim my

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attendance was an issue the prior board

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was fully well aware of my health

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related excuse used absences an entirely

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separate legal matter I assure you don't

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want to delve into with me but you three

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were well aware about it after you got

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elected beyond that this document

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contained outright lies that must be

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examined the first lie is the board

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approved this document I ask you

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Jennifer I ask you Pam Herm and Sarah

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did you see or approve this document you

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don't have to answer om says that if not

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this Con stitutes as the first violation

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the second majority approval claimed by

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Greg KS Greg K stated that a majority of

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board members supported this action is

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that true where so where's the

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documentation if not that's the second

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violation direct interference with

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Planning Commission on December 3rd the

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Township's legal council Charles

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Whitmire explicitly and repeatedly

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stated to the board specifically you two

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just as we or excuse me repated to the

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board that you have no authority to

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govern the Planning Commission you may

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advise us just as we may advise you

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taking any action beyond that is

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unlawful this document violates that

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boundary making it your third violation

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request destroy doc to destroy the

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document realizing this error Greg tried

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to backpedal hard and later contacted my

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colleagues asking them to destroy this

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document this is a blatant breach of

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public records law F foer retention

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policies and general ethical standards

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which is the fourth violation Greg's

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attempt to sweep his mistake under the

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rug was so obvious that it failed a

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kindergart that it would have failed a

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kindergarten game of hide and seek

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asking my colleagues to destroy this

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document that's the legal equivalent of

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setting off a fireworks setting off

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fireworks in a bank heist this behavior

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is reckless and indefensible I am asking

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for the resignations of Greg KS Dean hos

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and Chris Reta additionally

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additionally I am also demanding written

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and verbal public apologies thank you

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for the verbal Greg public apologies at

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least from the board public

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apologies excuse me for myself and my

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colleagues this level of carelessness

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lack of transparency and disregard for

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the law cannot be the standard and will

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not be the standard for our Township it

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is a disservice to the community we

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serve and is an insult to those who came

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before us I will set a precedent for

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this Township when it comes to full-on

447
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illegal actions for this group excuse me

448
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for a group that ran on transparency you

449
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guys sure love backdooring meetings and

450
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shredding documents I guess this

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transparency means see- through excuses

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not actual accountability now to you

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Greg when you allow yourself to be

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manipulated by individuals who believe

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they know better than our own legal

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council you lose the ability to think

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independently and you become their

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puppet this is not leadership it's a

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clown show and if there's one thing Greg

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Dean and Chris are consistent about it's

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their ability to turn simple governance

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into a master class of how to lose the

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Public's trust in 10 days and the kicker

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is good luck you did it in three weeks

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[Applause]

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Bravo I

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won

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really just please be quiet tell them to

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be quiet Ric like everybody else any

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more public comment

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Scott you let call me

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idiot Scott White Lake

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Road please speak into the

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mic so the audience can I've been coming

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to this Township meetings for decades

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and I've been fighting for change I've

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fought for change and I am so damn

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disappointed I'm disappointed in you

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three I'm sorry Greg and I push for you

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I am very listen I'm not a

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hypocrite I fought for transparency no

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appointing a person is not

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transparency back before this last board

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was in here we used to bring all the

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candidates up and they were

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questioned they weren't disappointed by

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the supervisor and it's not law for you

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to do it and you

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promised you promised me and you

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promised others that there was going to

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be change in this damn Township I'm

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sorry don't ask me why don't ask

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question it's my turn to talk I'm going

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to give you this the same respect as I

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gave the supervisor because I speak my

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mind I might not be right all the time

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but damn you three who the hell do you

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think you

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are I agree how many times Janette did

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you get up there and ask for resignation

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and you just went against your own what

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you I'll go back and play the tapes

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listen because no because no because I'm

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fair I'm

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fairm I'm Fair listen I see what's wrong

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I was taught what's right is right

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what's wrong is wrong and if I'm wrong

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I'll say I'm wrong but you three were

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wrong with what what no because it

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wasn't trans it's my turn to talk listen

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you had your turn you've already made

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your point what no it does I'm done I've

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only been a couple minutes just let me

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finish what what I'll be real quick if

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you just shut up for a minute okay make

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the point transparency you know what

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transparency is it's coming to a board

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meeting and letting the people talk

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getting questions

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answered and the board makes a decision

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not three men three men went behind the

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doors and look at look at all the stuff

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you added to the agenda we we kept

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begging not to load up the agenda last

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minute no maybe because you were out of

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town the stuff didn't get on the agenda

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Greg I explained to you let me ask you

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another thing the rumor mill the rumor

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mill has it oh you going to put a Time

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PL up now well okay the rumor mill has

531
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it you're not quitting your job and

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you're going to work part-time I did not

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elect a part-time supervisor ask these

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people if they want a part-time

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supervisor cuz I sure didn't want one

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last time

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any other comments I'd like to respond

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to the accusations

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John good evening John Ward Tyrone

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Township resident and Planning

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Commission

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chairman uh as Kevin mentioned um after

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the Planning Commission meeting um last

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Tuesday on December 10th

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2024 I received this letter probably

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similar to what Kevin uh included in his

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packet

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and uh it says my attendance at record

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during the 2024 calendar year at

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Planning Commission meetings is less

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than 80% of held meetings um I've I

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attended eight out of 11 regular

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meetings and three out of three held

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subcommittee meetings so 11 out of 14

555
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meetings I just a few I was on my

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honeymoon for one I was on vacation one

557
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and I was sick once um but after that it

558
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says um as a result of this the Township

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Board is charging me with nonfeasance

560
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:17,480
which is basically saying I didn't do my

561
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:19,558
job um I'm not sure if you're aware of

562
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,960
the town the Planning Commission bylaws

563
00:28:19,558 --> 00:28:23,720
but there is no attendance requirement

564
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:26,798
in there so I would like to know what is

565
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:29,240
the validation for this

566
00:28:26,798 --> 00:28:32,000
charge I would i' also like to

567
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:34,079
know how the board voted on this this

568
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:36,679
was not conducted during an open meeting

569
00:28:34,079 --> 00:28:38,798
all decisions of the Township Board are

570
00:28:36,679 --> 00:28:41,120
to be conducted at open meeting public

571
00:28:38,798 --> 00:28:42,639
meeting per the open meetings Act Right

572
00:28:41,119 --> 00:28:44,879
is is that correct can I ask the

573
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:47,919
attorney if that's correct or maybe he

574
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:49,440
can he can specify that later why am I

575
00:28:47,919 --> 00:28:50,960
getting yelled at from the crowd please

576
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,600
be quiet it's my time to talk he's

577
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:56,159
yelling

578
00:28:52,599 --> 00:28:58,599
shush come on come

579
00:28:56,159 --> 00:29:01,919
on needs to stop

580
00:28:58,599 --> 00:29:05,879
tell him great that's ridiculous come on

581
00:29:01,919 --> 00:29:08,799
John finish please John finish please I

582
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:10,559
I'll finish when I'm ready yep so the

583
00:29:08,798 --> 00:29:13,119
Township board made this

584
00:29:10,558 --> 00:29:15,278
decision Clos doors not in a public

585
00:29:13,119 --> 00:29:16,959
meeting the reason why they have the

586
00:29:15,278 --> 00:29:18,880
open meetings act so all the public can

587
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:22,679
see how they voted it's about

588
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:24,799
accountability to the residents the

589
00:29:22,679 --> 00:29:28,880
accountability so I want to know how

590
00:29:24,798 --> 00:29:30,398
each of you voted on this issue

591
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,960
I'm I'm I'm asking for that and I'm

592
00:29:30,398 --> 00:29:34,479
asking for it in a public meeting I want

593
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:36,600
to hear from Sarah and Herm and Pam and

594
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:38,720
Greg and Jen and Dean and Chris I want

595
00:29:36,599 --> 00:29:41,359
to know how each of you provided input

596
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:43,278
on this and what what evidence did you

597
00:29:41,359 --> 00:29:45,000
review to make this

598
00:29:43,278 --> 00:29:46,398
determination can you provide that

599
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,398
tonight during a public meeting which

600
00:29:46,398 --> 00:29:50,678
you should have because you didn't do it

601
00:29:48,398 --> 00:29:53,119
in a public meeting that was

602
00:29:50,679 --> 00:29:55,798
illegal can you confirm that with the

603
00:29:53,119 --> 00:29:57,079
attorney I will did did you discuss this

604
00:29:55,798 --> 00:29:59,200
with the attorney before you made that

605
00:29:57,079 --> 00:30:01,678
decision I did not you did not did

606
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:04,038
anyone on the board discuss that with

607
00:30:01,679 --> 00:30:06,320
the attorney I didn't even know there

608
00:30:04,038 --> 00:30:08,000
was a letter nor have I seen a copy and

609
00:30:06,319 --> 00:30:10,079
there's that's another good question was

610
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:12,319
anyone on the board unaware that this

611
00:30:10,079 --> 00:30:14,720
took place

612
00:30:12,319 --> 00:30:17,398
resp I would ask you one of you board

613
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:20,798
members to please ask the attorney to

614
00:30:17,398 --> 00:30:23,879
chime in on this can you respond

615
00:30:20,798 --> 00:30:27,398
chalk any act by the Township board has

616
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:29,480
to be made at a public he thank you

617
00:30:27,398 --> 00:30:31,719
thank you

618
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:33,759
meeting can you ask the attorney if he

619
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:35,519
was during a public meeting can you ask

620
00:30:33,759 --> 00:30:37,599
the can one of your board members ask

621
00:30:35,519 --> 00:30:39,798
the attorney if he discussed this issue

622
00:30:37,599 --> 00:30:42,079
at all with any board

623
00:30:39,798 --> 00:30:44,240
members chuck if he discussed it with

624
00:30:42,079 --> 00:30:45,839
any board members I've learned of the

625
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:48,558
fact this has happened over the last

626
00:30:45,839 --> 00:30:52,240
couple days I've had members of the

627
00:30:48,558 --> 00:30:54,599
board call me talk to me and yes so I

628
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:58,038
knew this had happened I did not know it

629
00:30:54,599 --> 00:30:58,038
before it happened

630
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,880
understood thanks for that information

631
00:31:02,599 --> 00:31:07,759
and I would like um each of you to speak

632
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,480
to who supported this and who did not

633
00:31:07,759 --> 00:31:11,679
thank

634
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,679
you it's

635
00:31:16,359 --> 00:31:22,158
clearly are there any other public

636
00:31:19,159 --> 00:31:22,159
comments

637
00:31:30,679 --> 00:31:35,120
uh thank you John Ward uh the

638
00:31:32,359 --> 00:31:37,839
information that you gave me uh makes me

639
00:31:35,119 --> 00:31:41,359
take a little walk down memory

640
00:31:37,839 --> 00:31:43,558
lane charging them with nonfeasance for

641
00:31:41,359 --> 00:31:46,519
80%

642
00:31:43,558 --> 00:31:49,638
attendance Mr

643
00:31:46,519 --> 00:31:52,798
supervisor I can recall your attendance

644
00:31:49,638 --> 00:31:55,638
as the zba chair and that's calling

645
00:31:52,798 --> 00:31:56,960
that's the kettle calling the pot black

646
00:31:55,638 --> 00:31:58,599
you should really take a look at your

647
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,399
numbers before you start accusing people

648
00:31:58,599 --> 00:32:01,558
of things that you were guilty of that's

649
00:32:00,398 --> 00:32:06,879
hypocrisy

650
00:32:01,558 --> 00:32:06,879
sir thank you you didn't announce who he

651
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,880
is

652
00:32:18,549 --> 00:32:25,398
[Music]

653
00:32:20,319 --> 00:32:25,398
show any other public comment

654
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:32,759
all

655
00:32:29,398 --> 00:32:35,558
right hi Bill Bill

656
00:32:32,759 --> 00:32:38,558
wood Tyrone Township

657
00:32:35,558 --> 00:32:41,558
resident I guess I'm uh just very

658
00:32:38,558 --> 00:32:45,158
disappointed I've been a resident for 50

659
00:32:41,558 --> 00:32:48,519
years in this Township I probably have

660
00:32:45,159 --> 00:32:52,919
dealt with pretty much anybody in here

661
00:32:48,519 --> 00:32:55,120
at one point or another um to have my

662
00:32:52,919 --> 00:32:58,000
name basically

663
00:32:55,119 --> 00:33:00,719
slander that you are going to get kicked

664
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:04,759
off the township Planning Commission is

665
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:05,679
just disgusting to me I I am very upset

666
00:33:04,759 --> 00:33:09,200
about

667
00:33:05,679 --> 00:33:14,480
it I uh honestly don't know how to react

668
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:17,120
to it I like things simple I thought

669
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:19,720
this was going to be a a good transition

670
00:33:17,119 --> 00:33:23,079
that we might get along the board and

671
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:25,278
the Planning Commission but this is just

672
00:33:23,079 --> 00:33:28,158
ridiculous what happened to us we

673
00:33:25,278 --> 00:33:30,798
shouldn't have to go through this

674
00:33:28,159 --> 00:33:32,840
um when I signed up for this thing

675
00:33:30,798 --> 00:33:37,839
everybody probably knows what I do for a

676
00:33:32,839 --> 00:33:40,398
living I'm 24hour 7day a week business

677
00:33:37,839 --> 00:33:43,839
person and I may get a phone call right

678
00:33:40,398 --> 00:33:47,319
now and have to leave so you can ask Mr

679
00:33:43,839 --> 00:33:49,119
Cunningham when I signed up I told him I

680
00:33:47,319 --> 00:33:52,759
may not make it to every

681
00:33:49,119 --> 00:33:55,678
meeting so that was already out on the

682
00:33:52,759 --> 00:33:59,720
table when I took this

683
00:33:55,679 --> 00:33:59,720
position that's all I got to say

684
00:34:10,079 --> 00:34:15,919
Garrett lad Harland Road um I'm also

685
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:18,960
part of the Planning Commission as well

686
00:34:15,918 --> 00:34:20,960
uh Greg Dean Chris I don't really have

687
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:23,199
relationship with you but I've had

688
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:25,720
relationships with both of you guys um

689
00:34:23,199 --> 00:34:28,239
same thing Billy said I get text

690
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:29,239
messages from people on ran Lake saying

691
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,878
why are you getting kicked off the

692
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:34,358
Planning Commission I also own my own

693
00:34:31,878 --> 00:34:36,480
business um never would have thought

694
00:34:34,358 --> 00:34:40,440
that you guys would do something like

695
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:42,000
that um again re reiterating what Billy

696
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:46,079
said I thought this was going to be a

697
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:48,398
smooth smooth sailing process and um

698
00:34:46,079 --> 00:34:50,000
yeah been here for a long time my whole

699
00:34:48,398 --> 00:34:52,440
life my family's been on running Lake

700
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:54,159
for 100 years so it's one of those

701
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:57,119
things that it's disappointing to see

702
00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:58,519
and then just the absolute chaos in here

703
00:34:57,119 --> 00:35:01,160
that's just

704
00:34:58,519 --> 00:35:03,920
it's insane so I hope you guys can

705
00:35:01,159 --> 00:35:06,399
figure it out but I do strongly agree

706
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:08,000
someone needs to be punished because you

707
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:11,320
can't just get away with this whether

708
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:16,800
that has to be legally or whatever but

709
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:16,800
this is this is ridiculous so thank

710
00:35:19,260 --> 00:35:22,339
[Applause]

711
00:35:25,679 --> 00:35:33,399
you de de a cipher Walnut Shores um I'm

712
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:37,160
just here to say I don't know the

713
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:40,079
legalities um would never claim to on

714
00:35:37,159 --> 00:35:43,879
what has transpired with the Planning

715
00:35:40,079 --> 00:35:46,599
Commission but I can say that this

716
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:49,720
Planning Commission in my opinion over

717
00:35:46,599 --> 00:35:52,519
the last several years has not acted in

718
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:55,480
the best interest of the township

719
00:35:52,519 --> 00:35:57,639
they've not enacted the ordinances they

720
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:59,800
they've not implemented the master plan

721
00:35:57,639 --> 00:36:02,838
plan the way that they should have they

722
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:05,200
have not had any sort of communication

723
00:36:02,838 --> 00:36:07,639
on a regular basis with the residents in

724
00:36:05,199 --> 00:36:10,239
the township they've canceled meeting

725
00:36:07,639 --> 00:36:12,039
after meeting after meeting uh

726
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:14,318
attendance does

727
00:36:12,039 --> 00:36:17,279
matter and

728
00:36:14,318 --> 00:36:21,719
anytime change is brought

729
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:24,880
in it's going to create uh hard feelings

730
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:27,598
with people that were already there but

731
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:29,800
I I do believe that change is necessary

732
00:36:27,599 --> 00:36:31,960
and changes necessary on that Planning

733
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:34,240
Commission because I don't believe that

734
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:38,760
they have been doing their job in the

735
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:38,759
best interest of the township so thank

736
00:36:39,849 --> 00:36:43,219
[Applause]

737
00:36:44,079 --> 00:36:47,519
you is that

738
00:36:50,199 --> 00:36:54,358
it

739
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:59,838
okay my

740
00:36:54,358 --> 00:37:03,480
intent was to not remove any planning

741
00:36:59,838 --> 00:37:07,679
commissioner my intent was to try to get

742
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:10,719
discussion between this board and the

743
00:37:07,679 --> 00:37:12,838
Planning Commission board I went about

744
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:17,039
it

745
00:37:12,838 --> 00:37:17,039
incorrectly that is why I did what I

746
00:37:17,679 --> 00:37:24,480
did it's all on

747
00:37:20,639 --> 00:37:29,279
me I just want a discussion between the

748
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:29,280
two boards publicly

749
00:37:30,159 --> 00:37:37,078
that's also why I changed item

750
00:37:34,159 --> 00:37:39,159
five on the

751
00:37:37,079 --> 00:37:41,960
agenda we're just going to have to have

752
00:37:39,159 --> 00:37:41,960
a one-way

753
00:37:42,318 --> 00:37:50,239
discussion all right

754
00:37:45,599 --> 00:37:50,240
uh moving on to unfinished

755
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:55,680
business do we have

756
00:37:53,358 --> 00:37:58,199
anything

757
00:37:55,679 --> 00:37:59,159
no all right then we'll move right into

758
00:37:58,199 --> 00:38:02,159
new

759
00:37:59,159 --> 00:38:02,159
business

760
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:08,159
um the authorization to take legal

761
00:38:05,119 --> 00:38:10,400
action against property owners for uh

762
00:38:08,159 --> 00:38:12,318
zoning violation you've all had a chance

763
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:16,000
to look at

764
00:38:12,318 --> 00:38:19,000
that uh this has been going on for

765
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:21,800
looking for my sheet here this has been

766
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:25,880
going on for quite a while

767
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:28,960
um uh after uh many requests there was a

768
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:32,079
house fire in uh just a summary

769
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:34,400
for for the residents there was a house

770
00:38:32,079 --> 00:38:38,800
fire on April 6

771
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:41,000
2023 it was a total loss and in need of

772
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:43,880
demolition you can see some of the

773
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:48,318
pictures there was a partial

774
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:51,200
demolition then the owners sold the

775
00:38:48,318 --> 00:38:53,480
property to

776
00:38:51,199 --> 00:38:57,480
another

777
00:38:53,480 --> 00:39:01,480
owner and the demolition is still not

778
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:05,400
complete It's actually an extremely uh

779
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:07,800
it's a safety hazard I mean uh kids

780
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:09,559
could easily get play and get hurt in

781
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:12,200
that

782
00:39:09,559 --> 00:39:13,759
area uh we've been going back and forth

783
00:39:12,199 --> 00:39:18,078
with the current

784
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:23,520
owners uh we had Chuck send them a

785
00:39:18,079 --> 00:39:29,680
letter and uh never heard respon no

786
00:39:23,519 --> 00:39:31,719
response so I I mean the the um the

787
00:39:29,679 --> 00:39:35,559
zoning Administration we're we're at our

788
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:38,719
wits end so uh I I think we only have

789
00:39:35,559 --> 00:39:40,480
one more choice and that's for uh for to

790
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:45,399
take legal

791
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:47,679
action so I'm uh looking for uh approval

792
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:49,280
from the board to do that I have a

793
00:39:47,679 --> 00:39:52,159
question for Chuck what do you recommend

794
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:53,800
Chuck legal action legal action okay um

795
00:39:52,159 --> 00:39:56,118
that's the only way you're going to at

796
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,960
least move the ball a little bit but if

797
00:39:56,119 --> 00:39:58,039
I can give you a little bit of

798
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:00,318
background

799
00:39:58,039 --> 00:40:02,358
um just based on my experience

800
00:40:00,318 --> 00:40:06,279
Prosecuting these violations of the

801
00:40:02,358 --> 00:40:08,519
beautification ordinance is that um we

802
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:11,680
can bring an action against them we can

803
00:40:08,519 --> 00:40:13,599
get a judgment against them then to get

804
00:40:11,679 --> 00:40:17,078
them to do what the Judgment tells them

805
00:40:13,599 --> 00:40:19,760
to do is another problem in our system

806
00:40:17,079 --> 00:40:22,039
we may go back to court several times in

807
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:25,079
front of the judge asking that the judge

808
00:40:22,039 --> 00:40:27,119
find the individuals in contempt for

809
00:40:25,079 --> 00:40:28,720
failure to follow through with the court

810
00:40:27,119 --> 00:40:32,318
or

811
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:33,239
and it takes quite some time but even if

812
00:40:32,318 --> 00:40:36,679
there

813
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:39,639
is action by the court the bottom line

814
00:40:36,679 --> 00:40:41,960
is if the people don't have the money to

815
00:40:39,639 --> 00:40:45,239
do what needs to be done it's not going

816
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:48,639
to get done we have a judgment out

817
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:52,039
against another property in the township

818
00:40:48,639 --> 00:40:56,000
there's a partially um caved in building

819
00:40:52,039 --> 00:40:58,039
I think it's on Old 23 somewhere yes uh

820
00:40:56,000 --> 00:41:02,358
the judge gave

821
00:40:58,039 --> 00:41:04,800
that indiv owner ample time to either

822
00:41:02,358 --> 00:41:08,559
demolish the structure and remove the

823
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:10,839
debris or to rehabilitate it and when I

824
00:41:08,559 --> 00:41:12,838
say rehabilitate it that means they have

825
00:41:10,838 --> 00:41:14,039
to do it with the approval of the County

826
00:41:12,838 --> 00:41:16,960
building

827
00:41:14,039 --> 00:41:20,159
department after almost a year and a

828
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:22,159
half of the judge repeatedly ordering

829
00:41:20,159 --> 00:41:24,719
this person either to demolish or

830
00:41:22,159 --> 00:41:28,078
rehabilitate I finally got the judge to

831
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:30,879
Grant an order requiring to be

832
00:41:28,079 --> 00:41:33,839
demolished and then after repeated

833
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:36,838
attempts to enforce that I got the judge

834
00:41:33,838 --> 00:41:39,679
to allow the township to enter the

835
00:41:36,838 --> 00:41:42,318
property to demolish the structure and

836
00:41:39,679 --> 00:41:44,279
to haul away the debris that would be at

837
00:41:42,318 --> 00:41:47,239
the Township's cost but they would have

838
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:50,680
a right to recover that cost in the

839
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:52,679
normal uh ways that we can so the

840
00:41:50,679 --> 00:41:56,598
Township board has to remember if you're

841
00:41:52,679 --> 00:41:58,879
going to take action on things like this

842
00:41:56,599 --> 00:42:00,519
it could be a long battle and at the end

843
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,519
of the day you have to make the decision

844
00:42:00,519 --> 00:42:05,358
does the Township Board want to

845
00:42:02,519 --> 00:42:07,559
authorize the expenditure of funds to

846
00:42:05,358 --> 00:42:10,519
remove the violation and then hope to

847
00:42:07,559 --> 00:42:13,559
recover it in the normal course and I

848
00:42:10,519 --> 00:42:16,519
can't predict um whether the that was

849
00:42:13,559 --> 00:42:20,239
one of my questions was does it make

850
00:42:16,519 --> 00:42:23,318
sense for the township to clean it up

851
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:25,159
and place a lean on the property can can

852
00:42:23,318 --> 00:42:28,119
we can we do something like that and get

853
00:42:25,159 --> 00:42:31,199
our money back we can we can ask the

854
00:42:28,119 --> 00:42:33,280
court for an order allowing us to do so

855
00:42:31,199 --> 00:42:36,118
keep in mind it will probably take

856
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:39,240
several trips back to the court to to

857
00:42:36,119 --> 00:42:41,519
get them to go from giving the homeowner

858
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:43,719
the option of taking care of it before

859
00:42:41,519 --> 00:42:45,280
the township then has the right to go do

860
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:48,078
it themselves and then place a lean on

861
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:49,839
the property uh depending on which judge

862
00:42:48,079 --> 00:42:52,800
we have depending on whether the

863
00:42:49,838 --> 00:42:55,599
homeowner shows up and makes their case

864
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:57,559
why they should have more time a lot of

865
00:42:55,599 --> 00:42:59,960
those factors go in but at the end of

866
00:42:57,559 --> 00:43:02,640
the day if they don't have the financial

867
00:42:59,960 --> 00:43:04,159
capacity to do that then the township is

868
00:43:02,639 --> 00:43:06,318
going to have to make the decision

869
00:43:04,159 --> 00:43:09,118
whether the township wants to clean up

870
00:43:06,318 --> 00:43:12,079
the violation and hope to recover the

871
00:43:09,119 --> 00:43:14,318
money but I I certainly recommend the

872
00:43:12,079 --> 00:43:15,640
litigation because if not the ball's not

873
00:43:14,318 --> 00:43:18,639
moving

874
00:43:15,639 --> 00:43:22,159
anywhere chck on the uh litigation as

875
00:43:18,639 --> 00:43:23,960
far as like recovery could you for

876
00:43:22,159 --> 00:43:25,838
example I did a lot of work in Flint on

877
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:27,838
tree work when they had a dangerous tree

878
00:43:25,838 --> 00:43:30,960
there they put that that right on the

879
00:43:27,838 --> 00:43:32,838
tax roll and the person the homeowner

880
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:35,280
had to pay for that whatever the cost

881
00:43:32,838 --> 00:43:37,239
was to remove the tree they just put it

882
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,800
right on their tax roll and if they

883
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:41,358
couldn't do that then they seized the

884
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:43,440
property and the city took it back I can

885
00:43:41,358 --> 00:43:45,920
ask the court for an order to allow us

886
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:48,159
to place it on the tax rules but you

887
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:51,079
know what the process is to foreclose on

888
00:43:48,159 --> 00:43:52,879
tax it's that's another several year

889
00:43:51,079 --> 00:43:55,240
process

890
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:57,960
potentially um but nonetheless you can

891
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:59,719
get the the the site cleaned up

892
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:02,280
um and then it's just a question of

893
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:02,279
attempting to

894
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:06,200
collect I make a

895
00:44:07,039 --> 00:44:10,039
motion

896
00:44:11,039 --> 00:44:16,558
support all in favor

897
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:20,519
I uh any

898
00:44:16,559 --> 00:44:22,640
oppose all right well Chuck will I don't

899
00:44:20,519 --> 00:44:26,039
think I said I so I'm just adding that

900
00:44:22,639 --> 00:44:26,039
for the record

901
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:30,919
I have the sufficient information to

902
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:32,639
draft the complaint and get it filed so

903
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:34,358
if the uh the Township Board is

904
00:44:32,639 --> 00:44:36,400
authorizing me to do so I'll prepare the

905
00:44:34,358 --> 00:44:40,519
complaint I'll get it file all right all

906
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:44,880
right good thank you all right thank

907
00:44:40,519 --> 00:44:49,559
you all right item two

908
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:53,880
um discuss a a possible board uh meeting

909
00:44:49,559 --> 00:44:57,640
format modification and uh that was

910
00:44:53,880 --> 00:45:01,760
uh uh the board is some of the board

911
00:44:57,639 --> 00:45:06,558
members have asked about having uh more

912
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:08,359
uh public comment in between each uh

913
00:45:06,559 --> 00:45:13,079
each item on the

914
00:45:08,358 --> 00:45:17,000
agenda uh I went to uh MTA training

915
00:45:13,079 --> 00:45:17,000
Michigan Township and

916
00:45:17,079 --> 00:45:23,240
um it's uh it's really not recommended

917
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:26,559
to

918
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:29,358
uh to function as the business we we

919
00:45:26,559 --> 00:45:31,720
really need to keep it uh that portion

920
00:45:29,358 --> 00:45:35,920
of the of the meeting to a minimum with

921
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:39,639
public but I've also added number six on

922
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:42,280
this which is uh where we'll discuss

923
00:45:39,639 --> 00:45:44,759
having a a different format meeting

924
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:47,839
where there'll be more discussion yes uh

925
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:51,160
opportunity between the board and the

926
00:45:47,838 --> 00:45:54,078
residents so my recommendation there is

927
00:45:51,159 --> 00:45:55,639
to not change the current business

928
00:45:54,079 --> 00:46:00,119
format we

929
00:45:55,639 --> 00:46:02,759
have um but I'm open for discussion with

930
00:46:00,119 --> 00:46:04,960
any of you board

931
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:07,160
members who brought it up to you to add

932
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:09,280
more between every option I mean you

933
00:46:07,159 --> 00:46:10,838
have the public right at the beginning

934
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:12,680
and you have it at the end I mean they

935
00:46:10,838 --> 00:46:14,719
could look through here and see and I

936
00:46:12,679 --> 00:46:16,639
understand that stuff happens but I like

937
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:19,039
the idea that you're doing this so we

938
00:46:16,639 --> 00:46:21,639
can answer back I also attended that

939
00:46:19,039 --> 00:46:24,400
Michigan thing today Sarah and I did and

940
00:46:21,639 --> 00:46:26,759
we are not to respond back when somebody

941
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:29,400
ask me a direct question I can't respond

942
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:32,480
in this thing it's not for that the

943
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:35,280
workshop it would be correct the law to

944
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:37,519
respond it's not it's it's it's highly

945
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:40,119
re it's in the Michigan Township

946
00:46:37,519 --> 00:46:44,960
Association not to respond back this is

947
00:46:40,119 --> 00:46:48,838
just for board thing that's it so it's a

948
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:50,760
recommendation well the majority I asked

949
00:46:48,838 --> 00:46:52,239
that question in my training and the

950
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:55,760
majority of the

951
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:58,159
townships in Michigan operate just like

952
00:46:55,760 --> 00:47:01,599
this

953
00:46:58,159 --> 00:47:05,358
I I brought that up Herman to from you

954
00:47:01,599 --> 00:47:08,559
were asking who brought it up and to me

955
00:47:05,358 --> 00:47:12,000
it makes sense to discuss an issue

956
00:47:08,559 --> 00:47:15,119
between the board on an agenda item and

957
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:17,440
get the public comments for that issue

958
00:47:15,119 --> 00:47:20,440
it's very difficult as a resident that

959
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:22,200
I've experienced myself to make public

960
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:25,559
comments on something before it's even

961
00:47:22,199 --> 00:47:28,039
discussed by the board or to wait until

962
00:47:25,559 --> 00:47:31,480
the end of the meeting and discuss a

963
00:47:28,039 --> 00:47:33,960
public comment after the board has voted

964
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:35,920
because sometimes the residents have

965
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:38,599
very important information that we may

966
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:41,079
as a board have not considered so taking

967
00:47:38,599 --> 00:47:45,519
a short public comment time after each

968
00:47:41,079 --> 00:47:48,000
agenda item could be beneficial to us

969
00:47:45,519 --> 00:47:49,920
especially with uh getting information

970
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:53,199
from the public and we have a very

971
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:54,760
knowledgeable public body of residents

972
00:47:53,199 --> 00:47:56,598
that's why I brought it up well I agree

973
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:59,240
with that but I have also attended in

974
00:47:56,599 --> 00:48:01,160
fact does not have the problem we have

975
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:04,239
what they have is workshops a lot of

976
00:48:01,159 --> 00:48:06,279
stuff is handled there it is completely

977
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:08,598
different than this I've attended

978
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:10,920
several in fact just a couple weeks ago

979
00:48:08,599 --> 00:48:12,599
they have a workshop they talk about it

980
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:14,760
they set it up in a more of a relaxed

981
00:48:12,599 --> 00:48:16,640
setting Su with the board and then we

982
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:19,400
can respond back to the citizens when

983
00:48:16,639 --> 00:48:20,960
they ask us stuff and it eliminates a

984
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:23,519
lot of this stuff because really what

985
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:26,159
the board thing is is strictly to do

986
00:48:23,519 --> 00:48:28,358
Township business that's it it's not a

987
00:48:26,159 --> 00:48:30,799
conversation to have with the audience

988
00:48:28,358 --> 00:48:32,558
is to strictly do Chuck am I right can

989
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:34,800
you help me on this you're correct

990
00:48:32,559 --> 00:48:37,280
Workshops the township doesn't take the

991
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:38,720
official business you discuss things you

992
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:40,760
hear from the public you can answer

993
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:43,199
questions the Township board meeting

994
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:45,520
you're here to conduct the business and

995
00:48:43,199 --> 00:48:47,519
uh the supervisor is correct the vast

996
00:48:45,519 --> 00:48:50,239
majority of townships they listen to the

997
00:48:47,519 --> 00:48:52,920
public and they don't interact

998
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:54,679
with can I I want to clarify a couple

999
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:56,240
things about workshops because I've been

1000
00:48:54,679 --> 00:48:58,519
doing a lot of research on this and

1001
00:48:56,239 --> 00:49:00,239
looking into what other communities do

1002
00:48:58,519 --> 00:49:02,559
like Herman said we went to training

1003
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:04,558
today and I know that's a different

1004
00:49:02,559 --> 00:49:07,559
agenda item but it's directly related to

1005
00:49:04,559 --> 00:49:09,280
the conversation we're having here so my

1006
00:49:07,559 --> 00:49:10,280
understanding is that workshops or a

1007
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:14,880
work

1008
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:17,400
session it's not just um a back and

1009
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:20,119
forth conversation with the residents it

1010
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:21,599
still has structure where there's you

1011
00:49:20,119 --> 00:49:23,400
call the meeting to order there's a

1012
00:49:21,599 --> 00:49:26,760
public comment the meeting gets

1013
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:28,240
adjourned um and so it's not just like a

1014
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:32,520
a town hall where we're all having

1015
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:35,000
conversations about issues um today I

1016
00:49:32,519 --> 00:49:38,119
learned that there are two types of

1017
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:40,159
Township meetings and the work session

1018
00:49:38,119 --> 00:49:43,680
or Workshop would fit

1019
00:49:40,159 --> 00:49:48,679
within potentially a regular board

1020
00:49:43,679 --> 00:49:50,879
meeting so one idea would be to think

1021
00:49:48,679 --> 00:49:53,039
about our first board meeting of the

1022
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:56,880
month incorporating a work session on a

1023
00:49:53,039 --> 00:50:00,279
very specific topic or two um because it

1024
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:03,358
is set up to be more of a a discussion

1025
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:05,798
amongst the board and a Q&A it's not

1026
00:50:03,358 --> 00:50:09,279
meant to be something that is voted on

1027
00:50:05,798 --> 00:50:11,679
in that moment so for public engagement

1028
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:14,079
if we were willing to have those larger

1029
00:50:11,679 --> 00:50:16,719
discussions as a board during a work

1030
00:50:14,079 --> 00:50:18,760
session when that is adjourned going

1031
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:21,039
forward it wouldn't move from work

1032
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:23,359
session to board agenda until it's ready

1033
00:50:21,039 --> 00:50:26,279
to be voted on so there's a window of

1034
00:50:23,358 --> 00:50:29,960
time for the public and the residents to

1035
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:31,559
bring feedback to the board um whether

1036
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:34,599
that's through email phone calls or

1037
00:50:31,559 --> 00:50:37,440
inperson meetings um but but it's an

1038
00:50:34,599 --> 00:50:39,240
open discussion amongst the board during

1039
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:41,400
the work session I just I feel like

1040
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:43,279
maybe that's a way to build that

1041
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:45,400
engagement piece in a little more

1042
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:47,640
effectively because really the board

1043
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:50,880
meeting has to be to conduct board

1044
00:50:47,639 --> 00:50:54,519
business it is the only opportunity that

1045
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:56,160
the seven of us have to meet together

1046
00:50:54,519 --> 00:50:59,358
and get through the business that we

1047
00:50:56,159 --> 00:51:01,118
have to conduct so if we can incorporate

1048
00:50:59,358 --> 00:51:02,440
that work session somehow I just think

1049
00:51:01,119 --> 00:51:05,240
it would improve

1050
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:08,559
efficiency that's well let me let me be

1051
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:11,439
clear just to to clarify because it

1052
00:51:08,559 --> 00:51:13,720
seems as though you interpreted what I

1053
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:16,318
said to have open discussion dialogue

1054
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:19,759
back and forth with the residents before

1055
00:51:16,318 --> 00:51:21,000
uh what I'm suggesting is to split our

1056
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:23,559
comment

1057
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:27,440
time so that the residents have a chance

1058
00:51:23,559 --> 00:51:30,400
to provide comments right after agenda

1059
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:32,519
item I've also recommended in the past

1060
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:34,480
where uh the last board meeting and got

1061
00:51:32,519 --> 00:51:38,000
voted down to add to the agenda the

1062
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:40,599
workshopping so I'm absolutely all for

1063
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:42,760
workshops without question so I just

1064
00:51:40,599 --> 00:51:44,480
want to make sure it's clear that I'm

1065
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:46,640
not opposed to workshops and I look

1066
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:49,440
forward to that part of the discussion

1067
00:51:46,639 --> 00:51:52,639
but for here I was simply looking at the

1068
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:55,200
idea of having public comments that are

1069
00:51:52,639 --> 00:51:57,679
relevant to the agenda item so that the

1070
00:51:55,199 --> 00:51:59,598
public has a chance to comment after

1071
00:51:57,679 --> 00:52:02,838
they hear our discussion but before we

1072
00:51:59,599 --> 00:52:04,960
vote that was as simple as all as it was

1073
00:52:02,838 --> 00:52:07,159
and uh I just want to make sure we're

1074
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:10,440
clear on that I appreciate that I heard

1075
00:52:07,159 --> 00:52:11,960
other comments about you know back and

1076
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:14,159
forth with the public and that's really

1077
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:18,440
not what a workshop or work session is

1078
00:52:14,159 --> 00:52:20,558
so that was why I commented the way I

1079
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:22,760
did Chu do you work with other

1080
00:52:20,559 --> 00:52:24,640
communities have workshops great and

1081
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:28,400
Township how does that

1082
00:52:24,639 --> 00:52:31,279
go uh it goes similar to a meeting but

1083
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:33,880
no official business is uh taken up the

1084
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:36,519
members do have a call to the public

1085
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:38,318
actually a couple of um there is some

1086
00:52:36,519 --> 00:52:40,719
interaction between the Township board

1087
00:52:38,318 --> 00:52:41,798
members and uh the public as they're

1088
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:46,679
making their

1089
00:52:41,798 --> 00:52:48,559
comments um not extensive but it happens

1090
00:52:46,679 --> 00:52:51,358
but I will say that Brighton Township

1091
00:52:48,559 --> 00:52:54,440
has more stuff going on yeah entire own

1092
00:52:51,358 --> 00:52:57,318
Township and so their workshops are are

1093
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:59,960
really more intense and to get through a

1094
00:52:57,318 --> 00:53:01,719
workshop they can't really open it up to

1095
00:52:59,960 --> 00:53:06,318
as as Sarah would say a town hall

1096
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:06,318
meeting type right um it would last

1097
00:53:07,199 --> 00:53:11,719
forever are those separate from their

1098
00:53:09,318 --> 00:53:12,920
scheduled board meetings or is it work

1099
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:16,480
they don't occur the same night at the

1100
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:19,039
Township board meeting okay so they they

1101
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:21,760
still have their normal formal business

1102
00:53:19,039 --> 00:53:23,798
meeting yes once a month and then maybe

1103
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:28,359
the other meeting they have the call it

1104
00:53:23,798 --> 00:53:28,358
a workshop Call It Whatever yeah

1105
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:38,760
any more discussion on number

1106
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:41,440
two no

1107
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:45,160
no all right then we'll move to number

1108
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:46,880
three uh the appointment of a a new

1109
00:53:45,159 --> 00:53:52,399
planning

1110
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:54,798
commissioner um I received five

1111
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:59,920
applications

1112
00:53:54,798 --> 00:54:04,280
um Ted uh uh Merc uh withdrew his he was

1113
00:53:59,920 --> 00:54:07,680
the first applicant he uh withdrew

1114
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:10,920
um uh the time commitment he took

1115
00:54:07,679 --> 00:54:15,679
another uh job and responsibility the

1116
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:19,519
second application uh is Abigail uh

1117
00:54:15,679 --> 00:54:25,199
carrian um she is uh extremely um

1118
00:54:19,519 --> 00:54:28,798
talented and um uh go get her go get her

1119
00:54:25,199 --> 00:54:31,679
done girl um she's currently working on

1120
00:54:28,798 --> 00:54:33,639
stuff with the Livingston County uh

1121
00:54:31,679 --> 00:54:35,039
planning

1122
00:54:33,639 --> 00:54:37,078
department

1123
00:54:35,039 --> 00:54:41,440
[Music]

1124
00:54:37,079 --> 00:54:45,318
the third application was Zach Tucker I

1125
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:48,039
think most you know him he's a former

1126
00:54:45,318 --> 00:54:49,358
board member and a uh attorney with

1127
00:54:48,039 --> 00:54:52,199
legal

1128
00:54:49,358 --> 00:54:53,558
experience the fourth application was

1129
00:54:52,199 --> 00:54:57,039
Steve uh

1130
00:54:53,559 --> 00:55:00,440
ainson I think I saw Steve some where

1131
00:54:57,039 --> 00:55:03,400
yeah there um he uh if you're not

1132
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:07,440
familiar he ran as a trustee he's a

1133
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:10,798
Township resident for uh quite some

1134
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:15,039
time and then the uh the fifth applicant

1135
00:55:10,798 --> 00:55:19,880
was John Stevenson who uh is a Township

1136
00:55:15,039 --> 00:55:21,558
resident on uh ran lake has uh 25 years

1137
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:24,798
with the uh

1138
00:55:21,559 --> 00:55:29,640
Detroit uh police department and then

1139
00:55:24,798 --> 00:55:32,599
another uh I don't know 10 or 15 with uh

1140
00:55:29,639 --> 00:55:35,440
uh Township on the east

1141
00:55:32,599 --> 00:55:41,400
side Clinton Clinton Township I believe

1142
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:41,400
it is so uh extensive experience in law

1143
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:47,838
enforcement

1144
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:50,358
um in the past uh the supervisor would

1145
00:55:47,838 --> 00:55:52,639
offer when I was on the zoning board of

1146
00:55:50,358 --> 00:55:55,759
appeals he would come to me with

1147
00:55:52,639 --> 00:55:58,759
applicants and and ask for my opinion I

1148
00:55:55,760 --> 00:56:02,039
extended that same courtesy to John

1149
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:05,520
Ward uh seem as how this is he's the

1150
00:56:02,039 --> 00:56:09,760
chairman of that board I I valued his

1151
00:56:05,519 --> 00:56:11,679
opinion and uh both him and I um come

1152
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:15,359
kind of to the same conclusion that we

1153
00:56:11,679 --> 00:56:19,598
felt that the uh the uh legal experience

1154
00:56:15,358 --> 00:56:22,838
of Zack Tucker would be the best uh fit

1155
00:56:19,599 --> 00:56:26,680
for the current opening on the

1156
00:56:22,838 --> 00:56:32,358
board but uh I believe

1157
00:56:26,679 --> 00:56:35,279
the applicants are here uh if not but

1158
00:56:32,358 --> 00:56:39,400
uh I ask each of them and I think

1159
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:39,400
they're available to answer any of your

1160
00:56:41,679 --> 00:56:46,358
questions do we want to bring them M and

1161
00:56:43,639 --> 00:56:48,798
see why they want to be part of it just

1162
00:56:46,358 --> 00:56:50,279
to get why they want to be part of this

1163
00:56:48,798 --> 00:56:52,358
I only know a few of them I don't know

1164
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:54,440
all of them okay well did you interview

1165
00:56:52,358 --> 00:56:56,679
all of them right I talked to each of

1166
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:59,000
them yes individually I didn't talk to

1167
00:56:56,679 --> 00:57:00,239
them face to face all of them some of

1168
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:03,880
them was on the

1169
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:05,838
phone um but uh you talk to every one of

1170
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:09,519
them why you

1171
00:57:05,838 --> 00:57:09,519
don't chall you on

1172
00:57:12,358 --> 00:57:18,119
that so do you have any questions of any

1173
00:57:15,159 --> 00:57:22,000
of I don't have any questions I'm ready

1174
00:57:18,119 --> 00:57:25,400
to make a motion I have some questions

1175
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:27,400
okay uh I just would uh you know like to

1176
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:30,880
clarify because because you didn't have

1177
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:35,358
a discussion with uh John Stevenson so

1178
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:38,559
we just for the record according to John

1179
00:57:35,358 --> 00:57:41,000
but um I'd like to ask if if Zack

1180
00:57:38,559 --> 00:57:44,000
Tucker's your pick I'd like to ask a few

1181
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:44,000
questions

1182
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:51,200
sure good evening happy to answer any

1183
00:57:47,639 --> 00:57:53,279
questions you might have hi Zach um

1184
00:57:51,199 --> 00:57:57,439
so what

1185
00:57:53,280 --> 00:58:00,839
uh with with regard to uh your slot on

1186
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:01,798
the Township Board uh and not winning

1187
00:58:00,838 --> 00:58:04,920
the

1188
00:58:01,798 --> 00:58:09,038
election the people seem to have spoken

1189
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:12,680
pretty loudly for change right and so

1190
00:58:09,039 --> 00:58:16,599
what do you believe would qualify you

1191
00:58:12,679 --> 00:58:19,399
than to have this reward of a Planning

1192
00:58:16,599 --> 00:58:21,960
Commission position uh with with the

1193
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:23,760
Planning Commission uh even though the

1194
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:27,960
public didn't have the confidence to

1195
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:29,799
reelect you as a Township Board trustee

1196
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:31,240
I guess I'm not sure that I necessarily

1197
00:58:29,798 --> 00:58:36,960
agree with your characterization of the

1198
00:58:31,239 --> 00:58:36,959
circumstances that being said um

1199
00:58:38,719 --> 00:58:45,838
my so I I work at a law firm I've been

1200
00:58:41,838 --> 00:58:49,679
working at a law firm for oh be 13 years

1201
00:58:45,838 --> 00:58:52,000
now um I do all sorts of work there some

1202
00:58:49,679 --> 00:58:53,759
of which is representing businesses

1203
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:56,400
Gennesse County Livingston County

1204
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:58,680
Oakland County uh the decision that

1205
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:59,960
businesses make are are quite similar to

1206
00:58:58,679 --> 00:59:04,239
the decisions that are made by the

1207
00:58:59,960 --> 00:59:06,400
Township Board um I can offer my

1208
00:59:04,239 --> 00:59:09,199
expertise in that general area we also

1209
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:10,880
handle a lot of real property disputes

1210
00:59:09,199 --> 00:59:13,038
so you know some of the issues like what

1211
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:15,200
were before the board this evening I

1212
00:59:13,039 --> 00:59:17,119
have experience litigating those in

1213
00:59:15,199 --> 00:59:19,239
court can commiserate with Chuck's

1214
00:59:17,119 --> 00:59:22,160
experience in terms of some of the

1215
00:59:19,239 --> 00:59:23,798
difficulties that the township faces um

1216
00:59:22,159 --> 00:59:27,719
and there's a lot of things that are

1217
00:59:23,798 --> 00:59:30,759
going on right now in terms of of the

1218
00:59:27,719 --> 00:59:34,159
state government and in terms of efforts

1219
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:36,520
to curtail the ability of our townships

1220
00:59:34,159 --> 00:59:38,440
to operate and regulate and you know

1221
00:59:36,519 --> 00:59:41,440
that's an area where my legal expertise

1222
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:43,079
is is particularly important um because

1223
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:44,960
at least from my perspective anyway we

1224
00:59:43,079 --> 00:59:47,960
want to do everything we can retain that

1225
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:50,400
ability to to regulate our Township so

1226
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:53,240
I've got a lot to offer um I'm here to

1227
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:55,400
work with uh the township and I'm I'm

1228
00:59:53,239 --> 00:59:57,318
happy to serve and quite frankly just

1229
00:59:55,400 --> 01:00:00,039
about any manner that I can which is why

1230
00:59:57,318 --> 01:00:02,558
I'm here I'm not here for a reward or or

1231
01:00:00,039 --> 01:00:05,000
an honor um I'm here to try and help the

1232
01:00:02,559 --> 01:00:08,880
place that I love and I live

1233
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:13,079
so do you um I'm sorry I just to follow

1234
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:15,358
up real quick uh so those litigations of

1235
01:00:13,079 --> 01:00:17,920
course that are in front of the state

1236
01:00:15,358 --> 01:00:19,679
government are important but I never

1237
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:22,440
heard you bring them up and all the time

1238
01:00:19,679 --> 01:00:25,118
that I've been attending Township board

1239
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:28,599
meetings in the past were they not

1240
01:00:25,119 --> 01:00:30,760
relevant for then well that that's

1241
01:00:28,599 --> 01:00:34,760
actually not true I ask you a question

1242
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:36,359
it's not I mean okay well I guess if I'm

1243
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:38,559
not allowed to respond I'm not sure not

1244
01:00:36,358 --> 01:00:42,440
sure how to please I thought I thought

1245
01:00:38,559 --> 01:00:44,720
okay um that that's not true and in fact

1246
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:47,559
there were several occasions some of

1247
01:00:44,719 --> 01:00:50,279
which were very recent um that I voted

1248
01:00:47,559 --> 01:00:52,599
against what I would have probably

1249
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:54,359
otherwise voted as a board member

1250
01:00:52,599 --> 01:00:56,599
because of the potential legal

1251
01:00:54,358 --> 01:00:59,038
ramifications of a decision I'm not

1252
01:00:56,599 --> 01:01:00,599
going to compromise uh a position that

1253
01:00:59,039 --> 01:01:03,280
the township may have by giving more

1254
01:01:00,599 --> 01:01:06,359
detail than that um but it's happened on

1255
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:10,280
several occasions and

1256
01:01:06,358 --> 01:01:12,440
so all right thank you Zach no problem

1257
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:12,440
thank

1258
01:01:16,679 --> 01:01:23,440
you so you move to make all right I uh

1259
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:27,079
looking for a motion to make my my

1260
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:28,280
recommendation to Zack Tucker so moved

1261
01:01:27,079 --> 01:01:34,519
I'll

1262
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:40,039
second all in favor I I oppose

1263
01:01:34,519 --> 01:01:40,038
no all right Zach thank you thank

1264
01:01:41,679 --> 01:01:48,480
you all

1265
01:01:45,039 --> 01:01:50,960
right my uh amended agenda discuss the

1266
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:53,838
township I apologize before moving off

1267
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:55,559
that one there is a document in the

1268
01:01:53,838 --> 01:01:58,679
meeting packet called the planning

1269
01:01:55,559 --> 01:02:00,920
commit three-year term and it looks like

1270
01:01:58,679 --> 01:02:02,960
they did insert my name but it's got

1271
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:05,079
information not relevant to me on the

1272
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:07,599
dates so if that could be corrected if

1273
01:02:05,079 --> 01:02:09,559
it's an official document uh that needs

1274
01:02:07,599 --> 01:02:11,519
to be corrected that was already

1275
01:02:09,559 --> 01:02:13,359
corrected that was just so that we all

1276
01:02:11,519 --> 01:02:16,519
understood the term limits and how

1277
01:02:13,358 --> 01:02:20,558
they're staggered so it had been removed

1278
01:02:16,519 --> 01:02:23,679
but it was done after this packet okay

1279
01:02:20,559 --> 01:02:26,160
yeah all right it's been fixed okay just

1280
01:02:23,679 --> 01:02:29,519
verifying I'm just trying to keep every

1281
01:02:26,159 --> 01:02:31,558
document that's related to the uh uh to

1282
01:02:29,519 --> 01:02:34,719
the township

1283
01:02:31,559 --> 01:02:34,720
accurate thank

1284
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:43,639
you okay so uh number five we're good

1285
01:02:40,079 --> 01:02:45,720
discuss the Township's current uh uh

1286
01:02:43,639 --> 01:02:50,798
position regarding the wind battery

1287
01:02:45,719 --> 01:02:53,519
solar ordinances and master plan um uh I

1288
01:02:50,798 --> 01:02:55,960
spoke with Jennifer who has had a

1289
01:02:53,519 --> 01:03:00,079
conversation with Laura

1290
01:02:55,960 --> 01:03:00,838
of uh Foster and Swift and uh would you

1291
01:03:00,079 --> 01:03:03,640
like

1292
01:03:00,838 --> 01:03:05,038
to I I guess you and I have had a

1293
01:03:03,639 --> 01:03:08,038
conversation maybe you can tell the rest

1294
01:03:05,039 --> 01:03:11,839
of the board um so I had a conversation

1295
01:03:08,039 --> 01:03:14,920
with Laura on December 10th um I had

1296
01:03:11,838 --> 01:03:16,400
asked her originally why when we did the

1297
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:18,960
master plan why we wouldn't have

1298
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:21,358
Incorporated the solar wind and um

1299
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:24,599
battery and she said that it is not it

1300
01:03:21,358 --> 01:03:26,759
was not necessary she and I'm going to

1301
01:03:24,599 --> 01:03:29,480
read her what she's

1302
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:32,319
what she said so I don't mess it up um a

1303
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:35,519
master plan is not an end all Beall it's

1304
01:03:32,318 --> 01:03:37,880
a guideline for planning purposes it's

1305
01:03:35,519 --> 01:03:40,719
reviewed um intended to be reviewed

1306
01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:43,480
every 5 years and amended every 10 years

1307
01:03:40,719 --> 01:03:45,199
it is not going to hurt you if the wind

1308
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:48,159
battery and solar are not in the master

1309
01:03:45,199 --> 01:03:49,759
plan in fact many communities just added

1310
01:03:48,159 --> 01:03:52,719
the new ordinances because of the new

1311
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:56,000
state laws that were passed in October

1312
01:03:52,719 --> 01:03:59,759
um and they do not have them in their

1313
01:03:56,000 --> 01:04:02,559
Master plans um ordinances our ordinance

1314
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:05,880
and defined overlay map is what protects

1315
01:04:02,559 --> 01:04:08,798
the township and will be uphold in

1316
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:12,880
court um right now the law defines the

1317
01:04:08,798 --> 01:04:15,838
utility solar scale solar wind and

1318
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:20,160
energy facilities are not and they're

1319
01:04:15,838 --> 01:04:21,759
out of our hands um that's why you know

1320
01:04:20,159 --> 01:04:24,480
the 80 townships went together and

1321
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:26,480
joined on that appeal with them um she

1322
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:29,240
advised that we sit tight and see how

1323
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:31,480
the appeal plays out um and her question

1324
01:04:29,239 --> 01:04:33,798
was to the board why would you want to

1325
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:35,960
spend more money on something when we

1326
01:04:33,798 --> 01:04:37,079
have no control over it right now and

1327
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:41,079
that means

1328
01:04:37,079 --> 01:04:42,720
amending why would we ask to amend that

1329
01:04:41,079 --> 01:04:44,798
um when we've already finished that

1330
01:04:42,719 --> 01:04:47,038
process and it's out of our hands so on

1331
01:04:44,798 --> 01:04:49,880
all that goes through the appeal process

1332
01:04:47,039 --> 01:04:53,160
and if we win that and get that control

1333
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:55,480
back um then that

1334
01:04:53,159 --> 01:04:57,399
should then at that time I have a

1335
01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:59,798
question question may may I ask a

1336
01:04:57,400 --> 01:05:02,440
question about that please I'm sorry

1337
01:04:59,798 --> 01:05:05,679
were you finished that's uh so two

1338
01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:08,960
things the U the litigation by Foster

1339
01:05:05,679 --> 01:05:12,159
Swift and about 80 approximately 80

1340
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:15,159
townships is not about

1341
01:05:12,159 --> 01:05:17,558
p233 it's about the mpsc's

1342
01:05:15,159 --> 01:05:22,558
interpretation or reinterpretation of

1343
01:05:17,559 --> 01:05:26,079
the law so the p233 still stands as the

1344
01:05:22,559 --> 01:05:29,480
law as it's written so the challenge is

1345
01:05:26,079 --> 01:05:31,960
not to the law it's the mpsc's

1346
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:34,880
interpretation of the law which is quite

1347
01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:39,079
different so it doesn't protect us from

1348
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:42,720
the law being executed in that sense if

1349
01:05:39,079 --> 01:05:47,039
if there it doesn't stop applicants from

1350
01:05:42,719 --> 01:05:51,199
uh applying under the PA 233 it simply

1351
01:05:47,039 --> 01:05:55,359
is challenging mpsc trying to interpret

1352
01:05:51,199 --> 01:05:58,078
the law that which uh which Foster Swift

1353
01:05:55,358 --> 01:05:59,960
is is suggesting it's not lawful for

1354
01:05:58,079 --> 01:06:03,920
them to do under but it also takes it

1355
01:05:59,960 --> 01:06:06,480
out of our hands we have no say over a

1356
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:09,440
certain correct me if I'm wrong Chuck

1357
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:11,400
over a per certain uh acreage we have no

1358
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:14,079
say the town has no say they can come to

1359
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:16,079
us and ask for it or they can just go to

1360
01:06:14,079 --> 01:06:18,720
the state bypass us all together that's

1361
01:06:16,079 --> 01:06:22,400
correct that's the power power grab by

1362
01:06:18,719 --> 01:06:25,278
the state well and really if if you have

1363
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:28,079
specific questions we ought to get Laura

1364
01:06:25,278 --> 01:06:32,000
here yeah yeah absolutely which which we

1365
01:06:28,079 --> 01:06:34,240
have asked for um the other the other

1366
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:36,159
part of asking the Planning Commission

1367
01:06:34,239 --> 01:06:39,598
to revisit the

1368
01:06:36,159 --> 01:06:41,838
ordinances is not about changing or

1369
01:06:39,599 --> 01:06:44,760
trying to challenge PA

1370
01:06:41,838 --> 01:06:49,000
233 it's to tighten up the things that

1371
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:54,240
fall outside of PA 233 for example

1372
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:58,798
requiring uh requiring any applicant to

1373
01:06:54,239 --> 01:07:03,519
commit to uh independently verified I

1374
01:06:58,798 --> 01:07:06,519
e519 uh code adherence or the uh

1375
01:07:03,519 --> 01:07:11,038
Electrical uh the national electrical

1376
01:07:06,519 --> 01:07:16,199
safety uh code uh

1377
01:07:11,039 --> 01:07:18,000
289d and 90 I'm sorry and 92 92d and two

1378
01:07:16,199 --> 01:07:20,759
uh I'll get the numbers there are

1379
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:24,559
electrical codes that are required by

1380
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:29,880
law to be implemented which not all

1381
01:07:24,559 --> 01:07:33,039
installers are um are adhering to after

1382
01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:36,119
the fact and so in these particular

1383
01:07:33,039 --> 01:07:39,480
instances our ordinances don't have this

1384
01:07:36,119 --> 01:07:41,160
specific language to ensure that they do

1385
01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:43,960
which can act as a

1386
01:07:41,159 --> 01:07:47,318
deterrent against applicants because

1387
01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:49,278
it's quite expensive to be independently

1388
01:07:47,318 --> 01:07:52,719
verified and things of that nature

1389
01:07:49,278 --> 01:07:55,079
that's one example other examples are uh

1390
01:07:52,719 --> 01:07:57,798
being able to the fact that we have put

1391
01:07:55,079 --> 01:08:00,318
in our solar I'm sorry the battery and

1392
01:07:57,798 --> 01:08:03,239
the wind ordinances today that we would

1393
01:08:00,318 --> 01:08:06,880
comply with PA 233

1394
01:08:03,239 --> 01:08:08,879
appropriately but nothing below the

1395
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:11,480
mandated

1396
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:14,680
p233 would be allowed in our Township at

1397
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:17,439
all it's completely prohibited but for

1398
01:08:14,679 --> 01:08:21,798
solar we chose not to prohibit

1399
01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:25,519
commercial in industrial we chose to

1400
01:08:21,798 --> 01:08:29,600
instead write it so that you could in

1401
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:31,199
install commercial industrial on say 25

1402
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:34,759
acres 50

1403
01:08:31,198 --> 01:08:39,318
acres below the minimum standard of what

1404
01:08:34,759 --> 01:08:41,798
PA 233 is is requiring from us and and

1405
01:08:39,319 --> 01:08:44,080
so one of the other things to do is to

1406
01:08:41,798 --> 01:08:46,399
look at have the discussion in the

1407
01:08:44,079 --> 01:08:50,000
planning committee in the planning uh

1408
01:08:46,399 --> 01:08:52,679
commission commission to be able to

1409
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:54,920
discuss these types of changes do we

1410
01:08:52,679 --> 01:08:57,719
want to prohibit below that but then

1411
01:08:54,920 --> 01:09:00,319
tighten up the provision to allow

1412
01:08:57,719 --> 01:09:02,560
residential for example because

1413
01:09:00,319 --> 01:09:03,960
residents have the right to put a solar

1414
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:06,600
installation on their house for

1415
01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:10,319
residential purposes and I've considered

1416
01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:14,920
it myself so it's these types of things

1417
01:09:10,319 --> 01:09:18,120
that are not considered mandated in PA

1418
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:21,119
233 that are important part of

1419
01:09:18,119 --> 01:09:21,119
rediscussed

1420
01:09:25,399 --> 01:09:31,079
that we hadn't considered uh with regard

1421
01:09:28,319 --> 01:09:33,440
to the other two ordinances to make sure

1422
01:09:31,079 --> 01:09:36,960
we're as tight as possible in light of

1423
01:09:33,439 --> 01:09:39,719
these two very important

1424
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:43,198
examples any thoughts or questions for

1425
01:09:39,719 --> 01:09:47,439
me no with I'll do with respect um the

1426
01:09:43,198 --> 01:09:51,119
board or the um residents wished for us

1427
01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:53,559
to consult with someone um that this is

1428
01:09:51,119 --> 01:09:55,760
their major right thank Laura that's

1429
01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:59,159
what she does and we did that the board

1430
01:09:55,760 --> 01:10:01,840
did that um the previous board did that

1431
01:09:59,158 --> 01:10:04,799
and this these ordinances were written

1432
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:08,760
with her help um with the man with the

1433
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:11,279
planning commission's help um well with

1434
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:15,920
with Chris on that board

1435
01:10:11,279 --> 01:10:18,519
now I think you can bring that to light

1436
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:21,158
um with the rest of the members of the

1437
01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:23,480
commission so that I

1438
01:10:21,158 --> 01:10:25,319
mean they can definitely have those

1439
01:10:23,479 --> 01:10:27,000
conversations yeah you can be a part

1440
01:10:25,319 --> 01:10:29,198
part of that it's all we're talking

1441
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:30,840
about it's having the discussion having

1442
01:10:29,198 --> 01:10:31,879
the conversation why I'm glad you're on

1443
01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:34,159
that

1444
01:10:31,880 --> 01:10:36,319
board hey Greg I have a question for

1445
01:10:34,158 --> 01:10:38,319
Chuck do you recommend Chuck that we

1446
01:10:36,319 --> 01:10:40,399
bring Laura in on our January 7th

1447
01:10:38,319 --> 01:10:42,439
meeting for question if you're going to

1448
01:10:40,399 --> 01:10:44,639
discuss this matter on that date

1449
01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:47,759
absolutely or do we wait for the appeal

1450
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:50,440
like what do we do H it it sounds like

1451
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:52,520
you have she said to wait can I can I

1452
01:10:50,439 --> 01:10:56,799
say something Laura we're in

1453
01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:59,199
conversation with Laura yes the

1454
01:10:56,800 --> 01:11:00,679
zoning we're we're we're talking I just

1455
01:10:59,198 --> 01:11:02,960
wanted to ask Chuck with he his

1456
01:11:00,679 --> 01:11:05,279
recommendation y if if you're going to

1457
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:07,279
have specific questions on this right if

1458
01:11:05,279 --> 01:11:10,079
there's a disagreement amongst board

1459
01:11:07,279 --> 01:11:12,198
members on what the law says you ought

1460
01:11:10,079 --> 01:11:15,158
to have your expert here Yep this is a

1461
01:11:12,198 --> 01:11:18,599
Cutting Edge thing you need people that

1462
01:11:15,158 --> 01:11:20,439
deal primarily with that issue exactly

1463
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:22,239
does the board need to take an action in

1464
01:11:20,439 --> 01:11:25,639
order for the Planning Commission to

1465
01:11:22,238 --> 01:11:27,238
discuss these ordinances

1466
01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:30,840
what do you mean by does it have to take

1467
01:11:27,238 --> 01:11:33,359
action like does the board need to

1468
01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:35,000
necessarily make a motion to approve

1469
01:11:33,359 --> 01:11:38,238
anything or can the Planning Commission

1470
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:42,439
simply discuss that this is something of

1471
01:11:38,238 --> 01:11:46,198
importance we no we cannot direct the PC

1472
01:11:42,439 --> 01:11:48,000
we cannot direct so then I guess I don't

1473
01:11:46,198 --> 01:11:50,279
understand what we're trying to but you

1474
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:54,119
have you have a liaz on from the board

1475
01:11:50,279 --> 01:11:57,119
the PC he he's our Chris is our guy I

1476
01:11:54,119 --> 01:11:59,760
understand that okay and so the matter

1477
01:11:57,119 --> 01:12:02,000
can come to life at the PC through the

1478
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:03,800
Thea on if that's what is going to

1479
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:06,760
happen or any of the other members on

1480
01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:06,760
the PC

1481
01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:14,960
okay am I missing something I no I'm

1482
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:17,520
just trying to discuss Township business

1483
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:19,439
at the board that's the whole purpose of

1484
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:21,239
discussing this that's it got it and

1485
01:12:19,439 --> 01:12:24,079
that's really that's really what number

1486
01:12:21,238 --> 01:12:26,439
five is about it really no I'm not

1487
01:12:24,079 --> 01:12:27,439
looking for a resolution or any vote

1488
01:12:26,439 --> 01:12:31,399
just a

1489
01:12:27,439 --> 01:12:33,678
discussion okay and and hopes that uh

1490
01:12:31,399 --> 01:12:36,960
the next meeting Chris as he gets going

1491
01:12:33,679 --> 01:12:39,158
will update us on what's going on in the

1492
01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:44,840
in the Planning Commission at every

1493
01:12:39,158 --> 01:12:44,839
meeting correct that's the goal thank

1494
01:12:45,198 --> 01:12:47,759
you

1495
01:12:46,350 --> 01:12:52,560
[Music]

1496
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:55,400
um so are we good to move on yep all

1497
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:59,239
right moving on to number six

1498
01:12:55,399 --> 01:13:01,399
which is the uh discussion of uh future

1499
01:12:59,238 --> 01:13:07,319
workshops which we kind of touched down

1500
01:13:01,399 --> 01:13:12,158
already um I am uh I

1501
01:13:07,319 --> 01:13:14,880
am well Sarah talking with Pat

1502
01:13:12,158 --> 01:13:18,079
Lockwood um um I haven't confirmed that

1503
01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:19,119
she can attend okay uh we were talking

1504
01:13:18,079 --> 01:13:22,039
with

1505
01:13:19,119 --> 01:13:25,679
the possibly having Pat Lockwood come in

1506
01:13:22,039 --> 01:13:28,359
the former mayor of uh of Fenton to

1507
01:13:25,679 --> 01:13:30,480
discuss how they ran their

1508
01:13:28,359 --> 01:13:34,039
workshops and

1509
01:13:30,479 --> 01:13:36,158
um she's currently a councilwoman on the

1510
01:13:34,039 --> 01:13:38,319
she was never a mayor she was mayor of

1511
01:13:36,158 --> 01:13:41,679
pro town but she's a councilman and she

1512
01:13:38,319 --> 01:13:44,319
was also a state representative okay

1513
01:13:41,679 --> 01:13:44,319
thank you you're

1514
01:13:47,079 --> 01:13:56,158
welcome I'm also considering discussing

1515
01:13:50,880 --> 01:14:00,600
with you uh when we redo our uh

1516
01:13:56,158 --> 01:14:02,238
meeting schedule uh hopefully by then we

1517
01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:05,199
we're scheduled out to what the end of

1518
01:14:02,238 --> 01:14:08,799
March yes is that correct the end of

1519
01:14:05,198 --> 01:14:12,039
March uh hopefully by April May we'll

1520
01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:15,039
we'll have some kind of a of a plan

1521
01:14:12,039 --> 01:14:19,119
where we have our our business meeting

1522
01:14:15,039 --> 01:14:22,479
and our Workshop meetings scheduled out

1523
01:14:19,119 --> 01:14:25,840
where the residents can they know which

1524
01:14:22,479 --> 01:14:27,839
ones to come to to be a part of or which

1525
01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:31,239
ones to be just

1526
01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:33,719
uh in in attendance to watch the

1527
01:14:31,238 --> 01:14:33,718
business

1528
01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:41,440
happen uh any other questions or

1529
01:14:38,319 --> 01:14:43,840
discussions in regards to that nope so

1530
01:14:41,439 --> 01:14:45,198
you want to wait till March before we

1531
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:47,719
have a workshop is that what you're

1532
01:14:45,198 --> 01:14:47,719
saying

1533
01:14:48,039 --> 01:14:55,479
I I don't want to wait but I also want

1534
01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:59,159
to make you aware that if we schedule

1535
01:14:55,479 --> 01:15:01,718
meeting outside the scheduled ones it's

1536
01:14:59,158 --> 01:15:03,439
uh it's costing the taxpayers so yeah

1537
01:15:01,719 --> 01:15:05,920
it's called a special meeting right

1538
01:15:03,439 --> 01:15:08,719
that's right right and it'll it'll I

1539
01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:11,440
mean we can certainly talk about that if

1540
01:15:08,719 --> 01:15:14,039
we get far enough along where yep we

1541
01:15:11,439 --> 01:15:18,000
know what we're going to do at a

1542
01:15:14,039 --> 01:15:19,679
workshop we can discuss that in uh and

1543
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:24,520
I'll schedule

1544
01:15:19,679 --> 01:15:29,760
one but be aware it's there a price I'd

1545
01:15:24,520 --> 01:15:32,320
like to request a a detailed list of the

1546
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:34,679
costs so that I can understand what the

1547
01:15:32,319 --> 01:15:38,039
costs of having a special meeting our

1548
01:15:34,679 --> 01:15:40,399
but line item please so for just the

1549
01:15:38,039 --> 01:15:43,920
four trustees it costs

1550
01:15:40,399 --> 01:15:45,839
$83 in 8 cents for each meeting that you

1551
01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:47,960
attend so that's understand part of the

1552
01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:49,760
cost of course but that's part but I'd

1553
01:15:47,960 --> 01:15:53,119
like to know what the

1554
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:55,679
costs collectively are for publishing

1555
01:15:53,119 --> 01:15:57,519
publication is what your asking right

1556
01:15:55,679 --> 01:15:59,679
right well you can provide that to me by

1557
01:15:57,520 --> 01:16:02,040
email break I need a breakdown in

1558
01:15:59,679 --> 01:16:02,039
writing

1559
01:16:04,198 --> 01:16:12,039
please okay so everybody's okay waiting

1560
01:16:07,880 --> 01:16:14,719
until minimum march to have any kind of

1561
01:16:12,039 --> 01:16:18,399
workshops that seem to be very important

1562
01:16:14,719 --> 01:16:20,840
to many of the people on this board can

1563
01:16:18,399 --> 01:16:23,119
we not like when they were just asking

1564
01:16:20,840 --> 01:16:26,119
when we were at MTA

1565
01:16:23,119 --> 01:16:28,319
today and maybe I missed

1566
01:16:26,119 --> 01:16:32,119
misunderstood the lady doing the

1567
01:16:28,319 --> 01:16:35,519
presentation said that within a board

1568
01:16:32,119 --> 01:16:39,238
meeting we can add to an agenda a work

1569
01:16:35,520 --> 01:16:40,800
session as an item and have that focused

1570
01:16:39,238 --> 01:16:44,759
on one big

1571
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:46,480
topic the purpose being because a a work

1572
01:16:44,760 --> 01:16:48,639
session is where you would talk about a

1573
01:16:46,479 --> 01:16:52,559
larger topic like the budget or

1574
01:16:48,639 --> 01:16:56,039
strategic planning or something that

1575
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:58,360
requires um no necessary board action in

1576
01:16:56,039 --> 01:17:00,439
that moment but perhaps the Board needs

1577
01:16:58,359 --> 01:17:02,279
the opportunity to have those deeper

1578
01:17:00,439 --> 01:17:04,559
discussions and then it would you

1579
01:17:02,279 --> 01:17:06,719
wouldn't vote on that topic in that work

1580
01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:10,120
session it would move then to another

1581
01:17:06,719 --> 01:17:13,319
agenda for a vote can we simply add the

1582
01:17:10,119 --> 01:17:16,000
idea of work sessions into our agenda

1583
01:17:13,319 --> 01:17:18,920
and our Forward Thinking planning for

1584
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:20,840
those bigger topics is that possible I

1585
01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:23,800
mean do we need to adopt any new meeting

1586
01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:25,920
structure to do that or can we put it in

1587
01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:27,560
miscellaneous business

1588
01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:30,000
at the

1589
01:17:27,560 --> 01:17:33,080
end I don't know Chuck do you know the

1590
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:34,880
answer to that you can do that just it

1591
01:17:33,079 --> 01:17:36,399
as an agenda item you can have it as an

1592
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:39,239
agenda item and treat it the way you

1593
01:17:36,399 --> 01:17:41,359
want the problem that you may face is is

1594
01:17:39,238 --> 01:17:43,919
the length of the meeting depending on

1595
01:17:41,359 --> 01:17:45,920
what the topic is and you know that's

1596
01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:49,679
just a decision you have to

1597
01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:53,520
make and my experience is with three

1598
01:17:49,679 --> 01:17:56,199
townships this Township iasco Township

1599
01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:58,120
which nothing happens in outo Township

1600
01:17:56,198 --> 01:18:01,319
and Brighton Township where there is a

1601
01:17:58,119 --> 01:18:02,920
lot of stuff that happens and so when

1602
01:18:01,319 --> 01:18:04,519
you have a lot of stuff that happens and

1603
01:18:02,920 --> 01:18:06,000
you want to have workshops it's

1604
01:18:04,520 --> 01:18:08,719
impractical to have it at the same

1605
01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:11,158
meeting as the business meeting you can

1606
01:18:08,719 --> 01:18:14,039
try it to see what it's like or you can

1607
01:18:11,158 --> 01:18:17,759
just simply schedule to have a workshop

1608
01:18:14,039 --> 01:18:17,760
meeting separate from the business

1609
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:22,760
meeting is that something that we want

1610
01:18:20,119 --> 01:18:25,439
to try let's say for the January meeting

1611
01:18:22,760 --> 01:18:28,239
like if we added that on

1612
01:18:25,439 --> 01:18:30,960
on that first meeting of the month and

1613
01:18:28,238 --> 01:18:33,000
then we had those conversations there's

1614
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:36,279
there's already quite a few things

1615
01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:39,198
coming down the line for Jan January 7th

1616
01:18:36,279 --> 01:18:41,439
February or maybe move it to the second

1617
01:18:39,198 --> 01:18:43,559
January meeting but if we're going to be

1618
01:18:41,439 --> 01:18:46,638
having conversations deliberating

1619
01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:48,199
towards a decision yeah we'd be making

1620
01:18:46,639 --> 01:18:49,639
at the second meeting so we want to have

1621
01:18:48,198 --> 01:18:52,198
it at the

1622
01:18:49,639 --> 01:18:54,880
first wherever we start it would just

1623
01:18:52,198 --> 01:18:56,799
move to the next right I mean if we

1624
01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:59,880
start at the second meeting in

1625
01:18:56,800 --> 01:19:02,880
January then you know it would just move

1626
01:18:59,880 --> 01:19:04,760
to the next agenda for a vote if it was

1627
01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:07,679
ready if that's something that's needed

1628
01:19:04,760 --> 01:19:10,199
at that time I'm just thinking maybe

1629
01:19:07,679 --> 01:19:14,279
that that is a

1630
01:19:10,198 --> 01:19:18,839
um possible way to try out that format

1631
01:19:14,279 --> 01:19:20,399
it's new um and then you know if we find

1632
01:19:18,840 --> 01:19:23,000
that we need to add an additional

1633
01:19:20,399 --> 01:19:25,638
meeting we can look at those costs when

1634
01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:28,639
we're thinking about the calendar

1635
01:19:25,639 --> 01:19:33,679
it might be a a compromise for the time

1636
01:19:28,639 --> 01:19:35,520
being um I don't know another example is

1637
01:19:33,679 --> 01:19:37,920
um I believe a couple townships also

1638
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:41,719
have a workshop before their regular

1639
01:19:37,920 --> 01:19:43,960
meeting like an hour prior so you have

1640
01:19:41,719 --> 01:19:47,480
an hour

1641
01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:49,600
to conduct a workshop and then our

1642
01:19:47,479 --> 01:19:52,359
original business meeting would start at

1643
01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:55,239
700 and that's good idea what township

1644
01:19:52,359 --> 01:19:57,039
I'd have to let you know okay can I cat

1645
01:19:55,238 --> 01:19:59,559
understand this we're we turn down

1646
01:19:57,039 --> 01:20:00,519
adding comments between agenda items

1647
01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:02,800
because it's going to make the meeting

1648
01:20:00,520 --> 01:20:05,760
too long but now we want to add a

1649
01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:08,600
workshop into our agenda that what I'm

1650
01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:10,760
understanding a workshop structure and

1651
01:20:08,600 --> 01:20:12,960
purpose is different than public

1652
01:20:10,760 --> 01:20:14,760
comments it's a single agenda item that

1653
01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:18,079
you're going have a workshop on yes but

1654
01:20:14,760 --> 01:20:19,920
the purpose of a workshop is for the

1655
01:20:18,079 --> 01:20:21,600
board to giving them the opportunity to

1656
01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:23,520
speak in between each agenda it it's

1657
01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:25,159
going to going to cost us too much time

1658
01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:27,560
but we're going to do that instead the

1659
01:20:25,158 --> 01:20:29,399
difference Dean is we can respond to the

1660
01:20:27,560 --> 01:20:31,920
audience here in a board meeting we

1661
01:20:29,399 --> 01:20:33,839
can't if somebody asked me a specific

1662
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:37,480
question I could answer

1663
01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:39,159
that the question is the question is you

1664
01:20:37,479 --> 01:20:41,718
said we weren't going to put agenda

1665
01:20:39,158 --> 01:20:43,319
items or response on agenda items in

1666
01:20:41,719 --> 01:20:45,960
between because it's going to extend the

1667
01:20:43,319 --> 01:20:50,840
meeting too much but yet you're going to

1668
01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:52,119
add a workshop in the agenda okay on and

1669
01:20:50,840 --> 01:20:53,760
that's not going to make it and the

1670
01:20:52,119 --> 01:20:56,119
reason is can I tell you what the reason

1671
01:20:53,760 --> 01:20:59,159
is I'm talking about l meting okay but

1672
01:20:56,119 --> 01:21:01,760
we can't okay they can do that if you

1673
01:20:59,158 --> 01:21:04,719
want them to respond on every single

1674
01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:06,320
item what is the purpose of that you're

1675
01:21:04,719 --> 01:21:08,319
missing my point you turned it down

1676
01:21:06,319 --> 01:21:11,039
because it was going to make the meeting

1677
01:21:08,319 --> 01:21:12,759
too long okay now you're going to add a

1678
01:21:11,039 --> 01:21:13,960
workshop which is going to make the

1679
01:21:12,760 --> 01:21:16,639
meeting too

1680
01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:19,158
long it's not just the meeting too long

1681
01:21:16,639 --> 01:21:21,279
Dean it's not recommended and then the

1682
01:21:19,158 --> 01:21:22,198
other townships I understand they don't

1683
01:21:21,279 --> 01:21:24,759
do

1684
01:21:22,198 --> 01:21:26,559
that well we do have to just keep it in

1685
01:21:24,760 --> 01:21:29,239
mind that just because other people do

1686
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:31,080
it that way it doesn't make it that we

1687
01:21:29,238 --> 01:21:34,799
have to do something we're trying to

1688
01:21:31,079 --> 01:21:37,600
explore new things so that we have

1689
01:21:34,800 --> 01:21:39,360
additional things that are changed well

1690
01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:41,360
I think some of the things that we've

1691
01:21:39,359 --> 01:21:44,079
explored are not

1692
01:21:41,359 --> 01:21:45,439
working y well the other thing Chris is

1693
01:21:44,079 --> 01:21:48,198
we can wait till the end of March to

1694
01:21:45,439 --> 01:21:50,119
have one it's either we have one before

1695
01:21:48,198 --> 01:21:53,479
if that's what they want to do or we can

1696
01:21:50,119 --> 01:21:55,198
wait till May to do it sure so that's

1697
01:21:53,479 --> 01:21:56,198
the choice

1698
01:21:55,198 --> 01:21:58,359
and that's what we're having a

1699
01:21:56,198 --> 01:22:00,719
discussion yep if we don't want to have

1700
01:21:58,359 --> 01:22:02,679
a lengthy meeting then we can wait till

1701
01:22:00,719 --> 01:22:04,399
April or May to have the first Workshop

1702
01:22:02,679 --> 01:22:07,480
stand

1703
01:22:04,399 --> 01:22:10,198
alone I also think we need to consider

1704
01:22:07,479 --> 01:22:12,238
not only cost but the time if we're

1705
01:22:10,198 --> 01:22:14,799
adding meetings to our calendar outside

1706
01:22:12,238 --> 01:22:18,718
of our two regularly scheduled board

1707
01:22:14,800 --> 01:22:21,000
meetings that's also asking more of our

1708
01:22:18,719 --> 01:22:24,600
Clerk and our

1709
01:22:21,000 --> 01:22:27,520
Deputy um in terms of just minutes and

1710
01:22:24,600 --> 01:22:29,159
time and being here so I'm not I'm not

1711
01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:32,480
saying it's not

1712
01:22:29,158 --> 01:22:36,359
possible um or even that I have an

1713
01:22:32,479 --> 01:22:39,479
opinion on that yet all I'm saying is um

1714
01:22:36,359 --> 01:22:42,119
there are a lot of pieces to consider

1715
01:22:39,479 --> 01:22:43,718
sure and we could also drop a box in the

1716
01:22:42,119 --> 01:22:44,840
back and let the residents decide what

1717
01:22:43,719 --> 01:22:48,880
they

1718
01:22:44,840 --> 01:22:48,880
want because we do work for

1719
01:22:49,039 --> 01:22:56,039
them can I make a quick comment

1720
01:22:51,840 --> 01:22:58,400
on not right now no

1721
01:22:56,039 --> 01:22:58,399
write it

1722
01:23:00,319 --> 01:23:03,479
down all

1723
01:23:03,560 --> 01:23:09,480
right so moving on to we could we could

1724
01:23:06,679 --> 01:23:13,079
have more discussion at our next

1725
01:23:09,479 --> 01:23:15,879
board this information on cost sure

1726
01:23:13,079 --> 01:23:16,960
thank you yeah yeah the cost uh maybe

1727
01:23:15,880 --> 01:23:20,560
we'll have

1728
01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:23,439
Pat Uh Lockwood here uh I mean this is

1729
01:23:20,560 --> 01:23:26,760
not a this is not going away we're going

1730
01:23:23,439 --> 01:23:30,119
to and I'm still not saying we can't

1731
01:23:26,760 --> 01:23:33,280
talk between each one but this meeting

1732
01:23:30,119 --> 01:23:37,599
is not really set up for

1733
01:23:33,279 --> 01:23:41,960
that all right number seven uh the uh

1734
01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:44,000
moratorium on the uh medical marijuana

1735
01:23:41,960 --> 01:23:47,639
it's for an extension we're looking for

1736
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:47,639
an extension it expires

1737
01:23:47,719 --> 01:23:54,239
tomorrow so this would extend it out six

1738
01:23:50,639 --> 01:23:57,000
months to June six month extension on

1739
01:23:54,238 --> 01:23:59,638
the medical uh

1740
01:23:57,000 --> 01:24:01,800
marijuana moratorium I'm looking for an

1741
01:23:59,639 --> 01:24:03,239
ex a motion to extend that before we do

1742
01:24:01,800 --> 01:24:06,840
that I want to ask Chuck what he thinks

1743
01:24:03,238 --> 01:24:10,399
of it if the township is actively

1744
01:24:06,840 --> 01:24:13,560
reviewing the matter then you can do

1745
01:24:10,399 --> 01:24:13,559
that I

1746
01:24:14,198 --> 01:24:21,158
can I can tell you that the Planning

1747
01:24:18,679 --> 01:24:24,760
Commission the Planning

1748
01:24:21,158 --> 01:24:26,479
Commission is actively pursuing that and

1749
01:24:24,760 --> 01:24:28,239
that

1750
01:24:26,479 --> 01:24:31,839
um we

1751
01:24:28,238 --> 01:24:33,079
will they're working on it Chuck let me

1752
01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:36,079
say this about

1753
01:24:33,079 --> 01:24:36,079
moratoriums

1754
01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:44,238
um if there are people that don't want

1755
01:24:40,118 --> 01:24:46,759
to challenge the moratorium then it's

1756
01:24:44,238 --> 01:24:49,678
okay if there are people that want to

1757
01:24:46,760 --> 01:24:51,679
challenge it they can do so in court if

1758
01:24:49,679 --> 01:24:53,639
the township is actively working at it

1759
01:24:51,679 --> 01:24:55,039
and especially if it's a Cutting Edge

1760
01:24:53,639 --> 01:24:56,840
issue in law

1761
01:24:55,039 --> 01:25:01,399
then the moratorium is probably going to

1762
01:24:56,840 --> 01:25:04,279
be found valid it's when a court thinks

1763
01:25:01,399 --> 01:25:07,799
that a moratorium is being

1764
01:25:04,279 --> 01:25:10,599
imposed as a way to keep a use out of

1765
01:25:07,800 --> 01:25:12,880
the township so if the township is

1766
01:25:10,600 --> 01:25:14,960
actively seeking to formulate what it

1767
01:25:12,880 --> 01:25:17,239
believes is the best policy for the

1768
01:25:14,960 --> 01:25:19,319
township then by all means you can

1769
01:25:17,238 --> 01:25:21,519
consider enacting the

1770
01:25:19,319 --> 01:25:24,000
moratorium but we should be actively

1771
01:25:21,520 --> 01:25:26,320
looking at the issue can John answer on

1772
01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:26,319
that

1773
01:25:26,840 --> 01:25:30,560
can you can you give us an update on it

1774
01:25:28,158 --> 01:25:35,238
John yeah tomorrow it's on the agenda

1775
01:25:30,560 --> 01:25:37,440
and uh Ross has uh Laura I I I wasn't I

1776
01:25:35,238 --> 01:25:39,359
wasn't sure how much I could discuss I

1777
01:25:37,439 --> 01:25:44,919
didn't want yeah we have the attorney

1778
01:25:39,359 --> 01:25:48,519
lined up doom and the new um still here

1779
01:25:44,920 --> 01:25:53,840
and the new uh planning consultant also

1780
01:25:48,520 --> 01:25:56,480
has experience in mmma right um so going

1781
01:25:53,840 --> 01:25:58,639
to be working it starting tomorrow yeah

1782
01:25:56,479 --> 01:26:01,198
does that qualify you it sounds like

1783
01:25:58,639 --> 01:26:03,960
you're working on it yeah Laura actually

1784
01:26:01,198 --> 01:26:07,238
I I didn't realize it but Laura has uh

1785
01:26:03,960 --> 01:26:10,840
some pretty extensive experience in the

1786
01:26:07,238 --> 01:26:13,839
uh medical marijuana area as well as the

1787
01:26:10,840 --> 01:26:13,840
green energy

1788
01:26:13,920 --> 01:26:18,239
so so that's a good thing I'll make a

1789
01:26:16,639 --> 01:26:21,880
motion to

1790
01:26:18,238 --> 01:26:25,279
extend I have a motion to extend support

1791
01:26:21,880 --> 01:26:26,319
that should be a resolution resolution

1792
01:26:25,279 --> 01:26:30,920
okay

1793
01:26:26,319 --> 01:26:30,920
sorry resolution to extend

1794
01:26:31,158 --> 01:26:37,319
second um second all right all favor we

1795
01:26:35,158 --> 01:26:40,238
have to do a

1796
01:26:37,319 --> 01:26:43,920
roll

1797
01:26:40,238 --> 01:26:50,479
resolution Sarah dolman Jersey

1798
01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:55,039
yes Herman Ferguson yes Greg Kar yes

1799
01:26:50,479 --> 01:27:00,919
Jennifer Eden yes Dean hos yes

1800
01:26:55,039 --> 01:27:00,920
Chris Retta yes Pam monther

1801
01:27:13,719 --> 01:27:21,560
yes all right moving on to number

1802
01:27:16,719 --> 01:27:26,000
eight the uh extraction

1803
01:27:21,560 --> 01:27:26,840
moratorium I think that one this

1804
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:31,238
we got

1805
01:27:26,840 --> 01:27:34,840
a it expired yeah it expired okay so I

1806
01:27:31,238 --> 01:27:37,118
I'm looking at reinstating the uh

1807
01:27:34,840 --> 01:27:40,840
extraction moratorium looking for a

1808
01:27:37,118 --> 01:27:43,198
resolution to do that another 6

1809
01:27:40,840 --> 01:27:46,520
months I think I believe it would be a

1810
01:27:43,198 --> 01:27:48,960
new for six months y new for six months

1811
01:27:46,520 --> 01:27:51,840
where are we at with that right

1812
01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:55,359
currently

1813
01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:58,880
um the the

1814
01:27:55,359 --> 01:28:00,960
um Planning Commission is is working on

1815
01:27:58,880 --> 01:28:03,199
that you want to you want to comment on

1816
01:28:00,960 --> 01:28:06,560
that we've discussed it at a number of

1817
01:28:03,198 --> 01:28:08,479
meetings we're down to the last edits um

1818
01:28:06,560 --> 01:28:10,239
Ross we the Planning Commission at the

1819
01:28:08,479 --> 01:28:12,158
last meeting gave Ross direction to

1820
01:28:10,238 --> 01:28:14,678
schedule the public hearing hold the

1821
01:28:12,158 --> 01:28:15,679
public hearing and most likely U take

1822
01:28:14,679 --> 01:28:19,960
action on

1823
01:28:15,679 --> 01:28:22,079
it after that so getting close so it's

1824
01:28:19,960 --> 01:28:23,800
been discussed it's been discussed at

1825
01:28:22,079 --> 01:28:25,079
every meeting um since we started

1826
01:28:23,800 --> 01:28:27,199
working on

1827
01:28:25,079 --> 01:28:29,399
so again it it's a moratorium that we

1828
01:28:27,198 --> 01:28:29,399
can

1829
01:28:29,439 --> 01:28:34,919
show that you're working we are actively

1830
01:28:32,600 --> 01:28:40,079
working

1831
01:28:34,920 --> 01:28:43,079
correct so I have a res resolution

1832
01:28:40,079 --> 01:28:43,079
resolve

1833
01:28:45,960 --> 01:28:54,560
second roll call Jennifer Eden yes Chris

1834
01:28:51,238 --> 01:28:59,319
Reta yes FM Ferguson

1835
01:28:54,560 --> 01:29:03,920
yes Sarah dolman Jersey yes Dean hos yes

1836
01:28:59,319 --> 01:29:03,920
Greg KS yes ham moer

1837
01:29:06,359 --> 01:29:14,279
yes all right uh item number nine uh

1838
01:29:10,238 --> 01:29:18,479
acceptance of the resignation of uh John

1839
01:29:14,279 --> 01:29:22,920
whis um John uh served on the board of

1840
01:29:18,479 --> 01:29:25,319
review for over 35 years I don't know if

1841
01:29:22,920 --> 01:29:30,239
he's here or not but thank you

1842
01:29:25,319 --> 01:29:30,238
John for your uh for your public

1843
01:29:31,319 --> 01:29:38,920
service so do I have a motion to accept

1844
01:29:34,840 --> 01:29:41,520
his resignation I make a

1845
01:29:38,920 --> 01:29:47,239
motion I'll

1846
01:29:41,520 --> 01:29:47,239
second all in favor I I

1847
01:29:47,800 --> 01:29:58,079
oppose all right item number 10 uh I

1848
01:29:53,158 --> 01:30:02,719
recommend uh uh Nicole uh blackenstein

1849
01:29:58,079 --> 01:30:05,198
to uh Phill John's

1850
01:30:02,719 --> 01:30:07,279
vacancy um I think they're going to have

1851
01:30:05,198 --> 01:30:11,879
some questions for you

1852
01:30:07,279 --> 01:30:11,880
Nicole I hate to put you on the spot

1853
01:30:12,439 --> 01:30:16,638
but I kind of got put on the

1854
01:30:17,679 --> 01:30:22,600
spot can you tell this new board a

1855
01:30:20,760 --> 01:30:26,079
little bit of your back experience with

1856
01:30:22,600 --> 01:30:29,239
the township yeah I have worked in the

1857
01:30:26,079 --> 01:30:30,359
zoning department several a couple

1858
01:30:29,238 --> 01:30:34,000
different

1859
01:30:30,359 --> 01:30:36,439
capacities um every time they need me to

1860
01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:37,960
come in for a project or anything I'm

1861
01:30:36,439 --> 01:30:42,559
always willing to do

1862
01:30:37,960 --> 01:30:43,760
whatever is necessary um I also work for

1863
01:30:42,560 --> 01:30:48,400
the

1864
01:30:43,760 --> 01:30:51,920
clerk um as a chairperson in

1865
01:30:48,399 --> 01:30:54,399
elections again whatever capacity the

1866
01:30:51,920 --> 01:30:55,760
township needs me to work in and I

1867
01:30:54,399 --> 01:30:58,439
understand those position is available

1868
01:30:55,760 --> 01:31:00,880
and I'd be more than happy to fill

1869
01:30:58,439 --> 01:31:03,439
it I'm not guaranteeing I'll be here for

1870
01:31:00,880 --> 01:31:03,440
35

1871
01:31:03,479 --> 01:31:08,399
years but um 34 come

1872
01:31:08,439 --> 01:31:13,000
on SO call you already have a working

1873
01:31:10,960 --> 01:31:18,520
relationship with some of the members

1874
01:31:13,000 --> 01:31:18,520
here in the township yep okay most of

1875
01:31:18,920 --> 01:31:26,960
them in in uh What uh particular

1876
01:31:24,158 --> 01:31:29,559
experience in the border of re uh in the

1877
01:31:26,960 --> 01:31:33,079
on the bard of review would

1878
01:31:29,560 --> 01:31:37,520
you I I know you you you've worked with

1879
01:31:33,079 --> 01:31:39,198
uh Alexa have you or I'm trying to see

1880
01:31:37,520 --> 01:31:42,280
where

1881
01:31:39,198 --> 01:31:44,279
the not following that I I don't know

1882
01:31:42,279 --> 01:31:47,079
where you're what connection you're

1883
01:31:44,279 --> 01:31:49,559
trying to draw on the border review I

1884
01:31:47,079 --> 01:31:51,600
know nothing about the board of review

1885
01:31:49,560 --> 01:31:53,440
okay um that's where I I'm going to take

1886
01:31:51,600 --> 01:31:55,760
a class just like you guys are taking

1887
01:31:53,439 --> 01:31:57,319
classes how to conduct a meeting okay

1888
01:31:55,760 --> 01:31:59,880
that's where I was going I'm going to

1889
01:31:57,319 --> 01:32:02,639
learn how to do whatever it is board of

1890
01:31:59,880 --> 01:32:05,679
review does okay the time constraint is

1891
01:32:02,639 --> 01:32:09,000
is not too much for me I'm I'm signed up

1892
01:32:05,679 --> 01:32:11,920
for Border review too are you yeah good

1893
01:32:09,000 --> 01:32:14,880
it's my statutory Duty I got to figure

1894
01:32:11,920 --> 01:32:14,880
it out there you

1895
01:32:15,000 --> 01:32:22,359
go

1896
01:32:17,840 --> 01:32:22,360
yeah any other questions

1897
01:32:25,279 --> 01:32:30,039
no I that was what I was looking for

1898
01:32:27,439 --> 01:32:32,158
just to get an orientation to what what

1899
01:32:30,039 --> 01:32:33,679
your background was and your involvement

1900
01:32:32,158 --> 01:32:35,879
with the township up to this point I

1901
01:32:33,679 --> 01:32:39,960
think I'm just I'm happy to that's

1902
01:32:35,880 --> 01:32:42,199
helpful help wherever I think um and I'm

1903
01:32:39,960 --> 01:32:45,760
interested in learning what the process

1904
01:32:42,198 --> 01:32:47,799
is all about know all right and being

1905
01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:49,880
able to explain it to other people

1906
01:32:47,800 --> 01:32:51,119
because to me it's just kind of a

1907
01:32:49,880 --> 01:32:54,400
mystery right

1908
01:32:51,118 --> 01:32:56,198
now all right thank you Nikki great at

1909
01:32:54,399 --> 01:32:58,519
that um she really stepped up to the

1910
01:32:56,198 --> 01:33:01,198
plate and helped out our Township with

1911
01:32:58,520 --> 01:33:03,480
the N9 days of early voting um committed

1912
01:33:01,198 --> 01:33:06,118
to doing that and the additional

1913
01:33:03,479 --> 01:33:08,359
training uh so she's very knowledgeable

1914
01:33:06,118 --> 01:33:10,679
about that and um you know very

1915
01:33:08,359 --> 01:33:16,158
supportive with the team works well with

1916
01:33:10,679 --> 01:33:19,158
the team so and reliable thanks P thank

1917
01:33:16,158 --> 01:33:22,479
you along with your MTA training Alexa

1918
01:33:19,158 --> 01:33:25,118
will be a great mentor for you yeah oh

1919
01:33:22,479 --> 01:33:27,678
she's already got I I make a motion if

1920
01:33:25,118 --> 01:33:30,519
there's no other questions that we

1921
01:33:27,679 --> 01:33:35,399
accept you I'll

1922
01:33:30,520 --> 01:33:39,159
second all right all in favor I I I

1923
01:33:35,399 --> 01:33:41,960
oppose thank all right welcome aboard Oh

1924
01:33:39,158 --> 01:33:45,118
thanks thank

1925
01:33:41,960 --> 01:33:49,920
you all right then I uh also got another

1926
01:33:45,118 --> 01:33:53,279
application from uh from Perry green uh

1927
01:33:49,920 --> 01:33:55,719
as a as a alternate for the uh border

1928
01:33:53,279 --> 01:33:55,719
review

1929
01:33:56,719 --> 01:34:03,399
um he's uh I don't know if he's here is

1930
01:33:59,760 --> 01:34:06,520
Perry here no he's not he's not um Perry

1931
01:34:03,399 --> 01:34:08,519
is uh has uh real estate he's in real

1932
01:34:06,520 --> 01:34:11,880
estate

1933
01:34:08,520 --> 01:34:15,440
um and uh again I I think he's in the

1934
01:34:11,880 --> 01:34:18,760
same position as Nicole as far as uh

1935
01:34:15,439 --> 01:34:23,919
needing the training but uh again he's

1936
01:34:18,760 --> 01:34:23,920
he's familiar with the real estate and

1937
01:34:25,399 --> 01:34:30,719
so I I recommend we we have a

1938
01:34:28,639 --> 01:34:34,600
alternate uh that's

1939
01:34:30,719 --> 01:34:34,600
trained so that we don't get

1940
01:34:34,800 --> 01:34:38,400
caught like we just

1941
01:34:38,840 --> 01:34:44,639
did Greg if there are't any questions I

1942
01:34:41,399 --> 01:34:48,599
make a motion for your recommendation

1943
01:34:44,639 --> 01:34:53,000
support all right thank you all in favor

1944
01:34:48,600 --> 01:34:53,000
I I oppose

1945
01:34:53,800 --> 01:34:57,119
all right

1946
01:34:57,158 --> 01:35:02,719
um is there any miscellaneous business

1947
01:35:00,840 --> 01:35:07,520
that we need to discuss there's nothing

1948
01:35:02,719 --> 01:35:09,000
on the agenda but um I do just want to

1949
01:35:07,520 --> 01:35:11,760
say on the

1950
01:35:09,000 --> 01:35:14,319
record that I think we need to respond

1951
01:35:11,760 --> 01:35:17,280
to the concerns raised by the Planning

1952
01:35:14,319 --> 01:35:18,559
Commission as an agenda item so that we

1953
01:35:17,279 --> 01:35:21,319
can

1954
01:35:18,560 --> 01:35:24,320
discuss

1955
01:35:21,319 --> 01:35:26,599
um you know we every one of us up here

1956
01:35:24,319 --> 01:35:28,319
has a fiduciary responsibility to

1957
01:35:26,600 --> 01:35:30,600
protect the

1958
01:35:28,319 --> 01:35:32,399
township and I'm deeply concerned at

1959
01:35:30,600 --> 01:35:34,360
what was shared tonight and I think we

1960
01:35:32,399 --> 01:35:36,960
need to add it as an agenda item since

1961
01:35:34,359 --> 01:35:38,839
it is not an agenda item tonight to the

1962
01:35:36,960 --> 01:35:41,520
next board meeting and make sure that we

1963
01:35:38,840 --> 01:35:44,319
appropriately respond to what was shared

1964
01:35:41,520 --> 01:35:44,320
and the concerns

1965
01:35:45,760 --> 01:35:50,719
expressed I'm in agreement with that we

1966
01:35:49,000 --> 01:35:54,560
should have a conversation at the board

1967
01:35:50,719 --> 01:35:56,760
table at our next board meeting

1968
01:35:54,560 --> 01:35:56,760
I

1969
01:35:58,719 --> 01:36:02,198
agree so do

1970
01:36:02,960 --> 01:36:05,960
I

1971
01:36:06,639 --> 01:36:10,679
MH

1972
01:36:08,600 --> 01:36:12,719
so you're going to put that on the

1973
01:36:10,679 --> 01:36:19,039
agenda for next

1974
01:36:12,719 --> 01:36:19,039
okay thank you it's fine there's

1975
01:36:24,560 --> 01:36:28,199
all right any other miscellaneous

1976
01:36:30,439 --> 01:36:36,960
business all right um public yeah yes

1977
01:36:49,039 --> 01:36:55,519
Scott chair Scott detri White Lake Road

1978
01:36:53,158 --> 01:36:57,559
um Zack Tucker was a good choice

1979
01:36:55,520 --> 01:37:00,800
although in the future I want to get

1980
01:36:57,560 --> 01:37:03,000
back to the board selecting the

1981
01:37:00,800 --> 01:37:06,119
applicants where the public can have the

1982
01:37:03,000 --> 01:37:09,118
applicants all come up and state

1983
01:37:06,118 --> 01:37:11,839
their reputations on the line then you

1984
01:37:09,118 --> 01:37:13,359
guys can vote on uh I'd like to have

1985
01:37:11,840 --> 01:37:14,760
something put on the agenda next meeting

1986
01:37:13,359 --> 01:37:17,039
I want the deputy

1987
01:37:14,760 --> 01:37:18,480
supervisor I think you guys budgeted for

1988
01:37:17,039 --> 01:37:19,960
that in the last budget I'm not sure if

1989
01:37:18,479 --> 01:37:23,519
you did but I want I'd like to have that

1990
01:37:19,960 --> 01:37:25,158
taken off because I think I elected a

1991
01:37:23,520 --> 01:37:27,880
full-time

1992
01:37:25,158 --> 01:37:30,399
supervisor um the public

1993
01:37:27,880 --> 01:37:33,840
remarks that you were talking about

1994
01:37:30,399 --> 01:37:36,118
Chris and I and Janette fought for and

1995
01:37:33,840 --> 01:37:37,760
Greg you said you were going to respond

1996
01:37:36,118 --> 01:37:41,559
to it we can't keep loading these

1997
01:37:37,760 --> 01:37:43,960
agendas up with two hours wor of agendas

1998
01:37:41,560 --> 01:37:45,599
to respond to even the call to the

1999
01:37:43,960 --> 01:37:46,760
public you want me to rush but I'm

2000
01:37:45,599 --> 01:37:50,719
responding to

2001
01:37:46,760 --> 01:37:53,199
11 11 if I want to respond to

2002
01:37:50,719 --> 01:37:54,599
them we have to police our Township

2003
01:37:53,198 --> 01:37:55,839
because

2004
01:37:54,599 --> 01:37:57,279
some of the Planning Commission members

2005
01:37:55,840 --> 01:37:59,880
don't even go out with I mean i' we've

2006
01:37:57,279 --> 01:38:03,479
caught them doing that and

2007
01:37:59,880 --> 01:38:05,239
um the applicant will come in here sure

2008
01:38:03,479 --> 01:38:07,559
we we got everything on the agenda we

2009
01:38:05,238 --> 01:38:10,359
have the packet but they start talking

2010
01:38:07,560 --> 01:38:13,039
and things come out and then we know

2011
01:38:10,359 --> 01:38:14,359
things that even though we can't get it

2012
01:38:13,039 --> 01:38:15,840
out in the public remarks in the

2013
01:38:14,359 --> 01:38:18,279
beginning they'll say it during the

2014
01:38:15,840 --> 01:38:20,159
meeting and then oh wow that's a gotta

2015
01:38:18,279 --> 01:38:21,559
moment it's not that I'm picking on them

2016
01:38:20,158 --> 01:38:23,879
it's just that we see it sometimes the

2017
01:38:21,560 --> 01:38:25,800
Planning Commission doesn't see it so

2018
01:38:23,880 --> 01:38:28,639
yes we do need to respond we don't need

2019
01:38:25,800 --> 01:38:29,880
11 items on the agenda four or five some

2020
01:38:28,639 --> 01:38:31,079
of us might just come up there's not

2021
01:38:29,880 --> 01:38:32,840
that many people in most of these

2022
01:38:31,079 --> 01:38:35,238
meetings we might get up and there's

2023
01:38:32,840 --> 01:38:36,360
many times basically this will work more

2024
01:38:35,238 --> 01:38:37,959
on the Planning Commission than the

2025
01:38:36,359 --> 01:38:40,000
board because this stuff will all be

2026
01:38:37,960 --> 01:38:42,079
worked out when the applicant comes in

2027
01:38:40,000 --> 01:38:43,319
to the Planning Commission so by the

2028
01:38:42,079 --> 01:38:47,359
time it gets to you guys it should be

2029
01:38:43,319 --> 01:38:48,679
pretty well ironed out anyway okay Chuck

2030
01:38:47,359 --> 01:38:50,759
I want to know one

2031
01:38:48,679 --> 01:38:53,118
thing you've done a really good job for

2032
01:38:50,760 --> 01:38:54,239
our Township and I hope you represent

2033
01:38:53,118 --> 01:38:56,639
the people

2034
01:38:54,238 --> 01:38:59,519
people and

2035
01:38:56,639 --> 01:39:01,520
um you know how can we hold our people

2036
01:38:59,520 --> 01:39:03,199
that work in the office here accountable

2037
01:39:01,520 --> 01:39:05,800
if people up here aren't

2038
01:39:03,198 --> 01:39:07,118
accountable I mean I I I try to hold

2039
01:39:05,800 --> 01:39:09,840
people you know if you seen me up

2040
01:39:07,118 --> 01:39:11,920
meetings I mean I'm very diligent on

2041
01:39:09,840 --> 01:39:14,719
coming to meetings

2042
01:39:11,920 --> 01:39:16,440
and I can't sit there and say people in

2043
01:39:14,719 --> 01:39:19,198
the office are doing things that I don't

2044
01:39:16,439 --> 01:39:21,399
believe they should be doing when we got

2045
01:39:19,198 --> 01:39:22,359
board members doing it did these guys

2046
01:39:21,399 --> 01:39:24,439
break the

2047
01:39:22,359 --> 01:39:25,598
law that's what I think the Planning

2048
01:39:24,439 --> 01:39:27,759
Commission was trying to get out of who

2049
01:39:25,599 --> 01:39:29,360
voted for this was there laws I mean

2050
01:39:27,760 --> 01:39:32,280
it's doesn't right it doesn't smell

2051
01:39:29,359 --> 01:39:34,479
right I mean there's seven people up

2052
01:39:32,279 --> 01:39:37,118
here you're supposed to be disgusted and

2053
01:39:34,479 --> 01:39:39,039
not three guys in the back room and it

2054
01:39:37,118 --> 01:39:42,679
just disappoints

2055
01:39:39,039 --> 01:39:44,118
me it highly disappoints me I mean

2056
01:39:42,679 --> 01:39:45,440
that's not what I expected that's not

2057
01:39:44,118 --> 01:39:48,479
what I was

2058
01:39:45,439 --> 01:39:49,678
promised I mean come on guys I mean I

2059
01:39:48,479 --> 01:39:51,598
want to respect all of you you know I've

2060
01:39:49,679 --> 01:39:53,158
work I'll work with any one of you I

2061
01:39:51,599 --> 01:39:54,719
don't want to chew your butts up but if

2062
01:39:53,158 --> 01:39:57,679
I get wrong if you chew me out if I got

2063
01:39:54,719 --> 01:40:00,279
to comeing I got to come okay I've been

2064
01:39:57,679 --> 01:40:01,599
down that road I've been in trouble but

2065
01:40:00,279 --> 01:40:02,920
I mean we're a community we're trying to

2066
01:40:01,599 --> 01:40:06,119
build something here we're trying to

2067
01:40:02,920 --> 01:40:07,560
make it better so like I said I don't

2068
01:40:06,118 --> 01:40:10,118
know what's going to happen but what if

2069
01:40:07,560 --> 01:40:12,280
we get sued what if do these guys have a

2070
01:40:10,118 --> 01:40:14,279
lawsuit the townships I mean the people

2071
01:40:12,279 --> 01:40:16,719
in townships got to pay for

2072
01:40:14,279 --> 01:40:18,000
it we're not responsible we weren't the

2073
01:40:16,719 --> 01:40:20,039
ones that went in the back room and did

2074
01:40:18,000 --> 01:40:23,439
this it wasn't done properly do you

2075
01:40:20,039 --> 01:40:24,599
understand how we feel but anyways um

2076
01:40:23,439 --> 01:40:26,238
like I said I don't know what's going to

2077
01:40:24,599 --> 01:40:29,000
happen but it's things got to change we

2078
01:40:26,238 --> 01:40:31,718
are promised change more

2079
01:40:29,000 --> 01:40:34,238
transparency and and have workshops is

2080
01:40:31,719 --> 01:40:36,158
fine but you do have we we don't need to

2081
01:40:34,238 --> 01:40:37,039
have this many agenda items and hey

2082
01:40:36,158 --> 01:40:38,399
Planning Commission at least the

2083
01:40:37,039 --> 01:40:40,479
Planning Commission I know these guys

2084
01:40:38,399 --> 01:40:42,359
John works really good with the people

2085
01:40:40,479 --> 01:40:45,839
and John has reached out let people

2086
01:40:42,359 --> 01:40:47,679
speak in between on important issues so

2087
01:40:45,840 --> 01:40:49,840
I think you know we can we don't need a

2088
01:40:47,679 --> 01:40:54,560
lot of it but there's some things we do

2089
01:40:49,840 --> 01:40:54,560
come up with that do help you guys

2090
01:41:09,760 --> 01:41:14,159
hi I don't know I know some of you but

2091
01:41:11,960 --> 01:41:16,599
but not most of you my name is Donna

2092
01:41:14,158 --> 01:41:19,319
Fela and I live on Lakeshore Drive in

2093
01:41:16,599 --> 01:41:22,119
Tyrone Township I know a few of you most

2094
01:41:19,319 --> 01:41:24,399
of you I do not however I read all of

2095
01:41:22,118 --> 01:41:26,319
your campaign information very carefully

2096
01:41:24,399 --> 01:41:28,598
because I was so excited for this

2097
01:41:26,319 --> 01:41:31,319
election I never been involved in any of

2098
01:41:28,599 --> 01:41:33,159
these meetings until the asphalt plant I

2099
01:41:31,319 --> 01:41:36,000
was appalled at the way the meetings

2100
01:41:33,158 --> 01:41:38,399
were run the level of disrespect for the

2101
01:41:36,000 --> 01:41:40,439
board and the residents the way the

2102
01:41:38,399 --> 01:41:43,719
bickering went it was out it was

2103
01:41:40,439 --> 01:41:45,319
outrageous so I was so excited for you

2104
01:41:43,719 --> 01:41:47,319
guys

2105
01:41:45,319 --> 01:41:49,960
transparency

2106
01:41:47,319 --> 01:41:51,920
honesty here we are you know Greg I

2107
01:41:49,960 --> 01:41:53,439
don't know you you seem like a great guy

2108
01:41:51,920 --> 01:41:56,399
you were supposed to be a full-time

2109
01:41:53,439 --> 01:41:58,359
supervisor we had a part-time supervisor

2110
01:41:56,399 --> 01:42:00,118
nobody wanted that so are you going to

2111
01:41:58,359 --> 01:42:02,479
be part-time are we going to cut your

2112
01:42:00,118 --> 01:42:05,519
salary are we going to revote for a new

2113
01:42:02,479 --> 01:42:07,799
full-time guy what are we doing here you

2114
01:42:05,520 --> 01:42:09,560
guys have opened us up to a huge lawsuit

2115
01:42:07,800 --> 01:42:12,239
and there are people Consulting

2116
01:42:09,560 --> 01:42:16,719
attorneys now our Township could be

2117
01:42:12,238 --> 01:42:18,959
bankrupt what you did was illegal it's

2118
01:42:16,719 --> 01:42:21,279
serious I don't want to see that for our

2119
01:42:18,960 --> 01:42:24,158
Township I don't think any of you do but

2120
01:42:21,279 --> 01:42:27,319
the transparency you can't just say it

2121
01:42:24,158 --> 01:42:30,118
and then not mean it so as a resident

2122
01:42:27,319 --> 01:42:33,319
who has never been involved in politics

2123
01:42:30,118 --> 01:42:35,479
I'm concerned I'm upset because I feel

2124
01:42:33,319 --> 01:42:38,599
like we got more the same we jumped from

2125
01:42:35,479 --> 01:42:40,678
the frying pan now we're in the fire and

2126
01:42:38,599 --> 01:42:43,440
what are we going to do we got people

2127
01:42:40,679 --> 01:42:44,679
Consulting attorneys because what you

2128
01:42:43,439 --> 01:42:47,719
did was

2129
01:42:44,679 --> 01:42:50,399
illegal I'm scared for our community so

2130
01:42:47,719 --> 01:42:54,118
I really do hope you guys will all take

2131
01:42:50,399 --> 01:42:56,719
this serious know that we are all Hing

2132
01:42:54,118 --> 01:43:01,799
and we want it to be made right however

2133
01:42:56,719 --> 01:43:01,800
that is so thank you for your time

2134
01:43:26,479 --> 01:43:32,598
what the first three weeks

2135
01:43:29,520 --> 01:43:35,840
huh um something I got two things I want

2136
01:43:32,599 --> 01:43:38,599
to touch on one is very apparent that

2137
01:43:35,840 --> 01:43:41,199
some laws were violated the Planning

2138
01:43:38,599 --> 01:43:42,760
Commission or the board Township Board

2139
01:43:41,198 --> 01:43:45,039
in an effort to remove members from the

2140
01:43:42,760 --> 01:43:47,159
Planning Commission were told by legal

2141
01:43:45,039 --> 01:43:53,920
council that they could not do

2142
01:43:47,158 --> 01:43:53,920
that so they established a non feance

2143
01:43:54,679 --> 01:43:59,840
and sent a letter out on behalf of the

2144
01:43:56,840 --> 01:44:03,279
Township Board there was no meeting

2145
01:43:59,840 --> 01:44:06,319
where this was discussed ruled upon

2146
01:44:03,279 --> 01:44:09,479
there's no meeting minutes so one of two

2147
01:44:06,319 --> 01:44:11,920
things happened a group of you met

2148
01:44:09,479 --> 01:44:14,479
independently violating the open

2149
01:44:11,920 --> 01:44:17,158
meetings act or the supervisor went

2150
01:44:14,479 --> 01:44:19,359
rogue and decided he was going to

2151
01:44:17,158 --> 01:44:22,799
violate and act on behalf of the

2152
01:44:19,359 --> 01:44:22,799
Township Board

2153
01:44:25,960 --> 01:44:30,239
which leads me to the second thing I

2154
01:44:27,359 --> 01:44:33,279
wanted to touch base

2155
01:44:30,238 --> 01:44:35,799
on I'd made mention specifically to some

2156
01:44:33,279 --> 01:44:38,198
of you about educating yourself and this

2157
01:44:35,800 --> 01:44:41,159
is exactly what I'm talking about you

2158
01:44:38,198 --> 01:44:43,198
know what you don't know and you made a

2159
01:44:41,158 --> 01:44:45,679
lot of false accusations on what you

2160
01:44:43,198 --> 01:44:47,759
don't know and you're learning now and I

2161
01:44:45,679 --> 01:44:51,440
hope you're embarrassed by some of

2162
01:44:47,760 --> 01:44:55,360
those I also want

2163
01:44:51,439 --> 01:44:57,879
you to really dive in to that points and

2164
01:44:55,359 --> 01:44:59,679
authorities from the MTA because our

2165
01:44:57,880 --> 01:45:03,880
Township is exposed financially right

2166
01:44:59,679 --> 01:45:03,880
now by lawsuits before you

2167
01:45:04,679 --> 01:45:12,000
go jumping the gun again educate

2168
01:45:08,560 --> 01:45:15,119
yourself open the book go to the Mt MTA

2169
01:45:12,000 --> 01:45:16,599
conferences go to the Mt MTA website

2170
01:45:15,118 --> 01:45:18,319
there's lots of valuable tools and

2171
01:45:16,599 --> 01:45:19,440
resources in there and the only reason

2172
01:45:18,319 --> 01:45:20,799
I'm saying it's because I care about

2173
01:45:19,439 --> 01:45:23,719
this Township and I don't want to see

2174
01:45:20,800 --> 01:45:26,279
you guys ruin and destroy the general

2175
01:45:23,719 --> 01:45:28,359
fund that we spent the last 14 plus

2176
01:45:26,279 --> 01:45:31,039
years building because it wasn't there

2177
01:45:28,359 --> 01:45:34,639
wasn't a general fund when I got here

2178
01:45:31,039 --> 01:45:39,158
and you guys in three weeks have got

2179
01:45:34,639 --> 01:45:41,359
that exposed so please educate yourself

2180
01:45:39,158 --> 01:45:41,359
thank

2181
01:45:50,960 --> 01:45:56,279
you Janette Letta tyone Township

2182
01:45:53,960 --> 01:45:59,359
resident I'd like everyone to know who

2183
01:45:56,279 --> 01:46:02,359
just spoke that was Mike Cunningham

2184
01:45:59,359 --> 01:46:05,799
previous supervisor he was not required

2185
01:46:02,359 --> 01:46:10,479
to uh say his name he always insisted

2186
01:46:05,800 --> 01:46:14,360
that we say our names when we come up

2187
01:46:10,479 --> 01:46:17,319
here this is also the man that looked at

2188
01:46:14,359 --> 01:46:20,719
me sorry but this this is the truth you

2189
01:46:17,319 --> 01:46:23,960
can go back and watch a video with Chuck

2190
01:46:20,719 --> 01:46:26,920
watching with Herman with the ladies

2191
01:46:23,960 --> 01:46:29,719
watching as I was shut down in public

2192
01:46:26,920 --> 01:46:32,599
comment and told you cannot speak any

2193
01:46:29,719 --> 01:46:36,079
longer and I said you had someone speak

2194
01:46:32,599 --> 01:46:38,279
14 minutes last meeting he said that was

2195
01:46:36,079 --> 01:46:40,359
a public hearing I said can you speak as

2196
01:46:38,279 --> 01:46:43,759
long as you want in a public hearing and

2197
01:46:40,359 --> 01:46:46,359
Chuck smirked on video and everybody

2198
01:46:43,760 --> 01:46:48,800
laughed and let him tell me that and

2199
01:46:46,359 --> 01:46:51,598
shut me down so that's who you just had

2200
01:46:48,800 --> 01:46:54,599
speak the same guy that was yelling at

2201
01:46:51,599 --> 01:46:57,480
me and telling me to go off myself Etc

2202
01:46:54,599 --> 01:46:59,599
as he left the parking lot last meeting

2203
01:46:57,479 --> 01:47:01,000
and told residents to shut up so that's

2204
01:46:59,599 --> 01:47:05,880
who just

2205
01:47:01,000 --> 01:47:08,639
spoke okay um the MMA just for clarity

2206
01:47:05,880 --> 01:47:10,760
because I I you know it drives me crazy

2207
01:47:08,639 --> 01:47:14,440
these meetings where you don't get the

2208
01:47:10,760 --> 01:47:18,360
real story out the uh medical

2209
01:47:14,439 --> 01:47:21,839
marijuana um uh application and the

2210
01:47:18,359 --> 01:47:24,479
ordinance related to it so last Planning

2211
01:47:21,840 --> 01:47:26,520
Commission meeting we said did it expire

2212
01:47:24,479 --> 01:47:29,638
guess what they told us it expired then

2213
01:47:26,520 --> 01:47:32,199
they're like uh no was it the uh

2214
01:47:29,639 --> 01:47:34,239
extractive one that expired no that one

2215
01:47:32,198 --> 01:47:36,039
didn't expire but the MMA one did so

2216
01:47:34,238 --> 01:47:39,039
nobody knew so I came here thinking

2217
01:47:36,039 --> 01:47:43,079
tonight that the MMA one expired find

2218
01:47:39,039 --> 01:47:46,599
out no it was the other one so you ask

2219
01:47:43,079 --> 01:47:48,920
if they're working on it guess what it's

2220
01:47:46,599 --> 01:47:53,520
been what three six months that we've

2221
01:47:48,920 --> 01:47:56,319
had that particular um uh sorry not

2222
01:47:53,520 --> 01:48:00,560
ordinance but um moratorium moratorium

2223
01:47:56,319 --> 01:48:05,519
yes and they haven't worked on it so you

2224
01:48:00,560 --> 01:48:07,159
talk about being being liable Etc

2225
01:48:05,520 --> 01:48:08,840
they've known that we're supposed to be

2226
01:48:07,158 --> 01:48:11,679
working on this it's not been on an

2227
01:48:08,840 --> 01:48:11,679
agenda for

2228
01:48:12,000 --> 01:48:17,520
months so how how is that right and then

2229
01:48:15,359 --> 01:48:19,359
we just gloss over it and pretend oh

2230
01:48:17,520 --> 01:48:21,320
yeah we're working on it no they have

2231
01:48:19,359 --> 01:48:24,759
not been working on it let's be clear

2232
01:48:21,319 --> 01:48:24,759
they have not been

2233
01:48:33,000 --> 01:48:37,118
sorry I just want to say what I believe

2234
01:48:35,479 --> 01:48:39,559
many others in this community would like

2235
01:48:37,118 --> 01:48:41,079
to say and by the way if any of you have

2236
01:48:39,560 --> 01:48:43,159
ever attended a Planning Commission

2237
01:48:41,079 --> 01:48:45,118
meeting um at the county level guess

2238
01:48:43,158 --> 01:48:47,198
what they do they're like hey who's here

2239
01:48:45,118 --> 01:48:49,000
from Tyrone Township hey could we could

2240
01:48:47,198 --> 01:48:51,439
you talk yeah tell us a little bit it

2241
01:48:49,000 --> 01:48:54,039
went so smoothly it was so nice it was

2242
01:48:51,439 --> 01:48:56,399
so refreshing and and to say and make

2243
01:48:54,039 --> 01:48:58,519
that impression that we can't do that we

2244
01:48:56,399 --> 01:48:59,799
absolutely can do that a lot of the

2245
01:48:58,520 --> 01:49:02,760
things that you guys have talked about

2246
01:48:59,800 --> 01:49:05,119
tonight are recommendations by the MTA

2247
01:49:02,760 --> 01:49:07,360
which is a lobbyist group and they tell

2248
01:49:05,118 --> 01:49:10,118
you that right on their on their website

2249
01:49:07,359 --> 01:49:13,198
we are lobbyists so yes they do a lot of

2250
01:49:10,118 --> 01:49:16,598
good work but they also have an agenda

2251
01:49:13,198 --> 01:49:19,879
as well many in this community probably

2252
01:49:16,599 --> 01:49:19,880
feel that they cannot say

2253
01:49:20,439 --> 01:49:24,598
this the people of this Township spoke

2254
01:49:22,960 --> 01:49:26,319
loudly and clearly during the last

2255
01:49:24,599 --> 01:49:28,960
election and made their choice and yet

2256
01:49:26,319 --> 01:49:31,399
tonight that choice has been disregarded

2257
01:49:28,960 --> 01:49:33,560
So the appointment feels like a betrayal

2258
01:49:31,399 --> 01:49:35,719
of the voter's trust especially when

2259
01:49:33,560 --> 01:49:36,800
there were other qualified candidates

2260
01:49:35,719 --> 01:49:38,960
who could have brought fresh

2261
01:49:36,800 --> 01:49:42,920
perspectives and A Renewed sense of

2262
01:49:38,960 --> 01:49:45,198
confidence to this Rule and Mr KS you

2263
01:49:42,920 --> 01:49:48,239
need to clarify that you did not speak

2264
01:49:45,198 --> 01:49:50,719
to everybody because you said and led it

2265
01:49:48,238 --> 01:49:53,519
with saying that you spoke to everyone

2266
01:49:50,719 --> 01:49:55,760
that applied for that position on the

2267
01:49:53,520 --> 01:49:58,040
Planning

2268
01:49:55,760 --> 01:49:59,960
Commission and don't look at me with a

2269
01:49:58,039 --> 01:50:01,800
question I have the person that's right

2270
01:49:59,960 --> 01:50:05,679
here can stand up and say that they

2271
01:50:01,800 --> 01:50:05,679
never received a call or anything from

2272
01:50:06,198 --> 01:50:10,719
you so um what I'm going to do instead

2273
01:50:08,880 --> 01:50:12,639
of reading this I am going to be writing

2274
01:50:10,719 --> 01:50:14,480
a detailed accounting about what I've

2275
01:50:12,639 --> 01:50:17,039
endured personally as a resident of this

2276
01:50:14,479 --> 01:50:20,000
Township and the reason I'm going to do

2277
01:50:17,039 --> 01:50:23,719
that is because if I can be treated this

2278
01:50:20,000 --> 01:50:26,800
way then anybody can be treated this way

2279
01:50:23,719 --> 01:50:30,399
and like the woman that spoke before yes

2280
01:50:26,800 --> 01:50:33,560
we did look forward to change and it's

2281
01:50:30,399 --> 01:50:35,598
really disappointing to see that

2282
01:50:33,560 --> 01:50:38,039
everything that you bra talked about

2283
01:50:35,599 --> 01:50:40,920
transparency Etc I mean it just seems

2284
01:50:38,039 --> 01:50:42,679
like it's all getting squal and I don't

2285
01:50:40,920 --> 01:50:44,279
know somebody's whispering in your ear

2286
01:50:42,679 --> 01:50:47,039
telling you not to do certain things I

2287
01:50:44,279 --> 01:50:49,279
don't know what it is but I also think

2288
01:50:47,039 --> 01:50:51,880
that some clarity should be brought out

2289
01:50:49,279 --> 01:50:53,158
about what happened with you presenting

2290
01:50:51,880 --> 01:50:55,400
that letter

2291
01:50:53,158 --> 01:50:58,039
and did you talk to other board members

2292
01:50:55,399 --> 01:50:59,879
maybe not Jennifer maybe not Pam but did

2293
01:50:58,039 --> 01:51:03,118
you talk to other board members about

2294
01:50:59,880 --> 01:51:04,719
this did you guys have discussions about

2295
01:51:03,118 --> 01:51:07,559
things that you wanted to get done and

2296
01:51:04,719 --> 01:51:09,000
this was the way to go did other board

2297
01:51:07,560 --> 01:51:10,960
members say that they thought the whole

2298
01:51:09,000 --> 01:51:13,000
Planning Commission should be gotten rid

2299
01:51:10,960 --> 01:51:15,118
of and now they're

2300
01:51:13,000 --> 01:51:18,479
backtracking it's just not fair how this

2301
01:51:15,118 --> 01:51:21,158
is being handled so hey I might do some

2302
01:51:18,479 --> 01:51:23,638
foas I don't know but I think that a lot

2303
01:51:21,158 --> 01:51:25,399
of this needs to be brought to light

2304
01:51:23,639 --> 01:51:29,199
so again I'm sure everyone's sick of

2305
01:51:25,399 --> 01:51:31,960
hearing me talk but I will be publishing

2306
01:51:29,198 --> 01:51:35,759
what and and you know and also Greg I

2307
01:51:31,960 --> 01:51:38,920
ask and beg of you Greg to take control

2308
01:51:35,760 --> 01:51:41,719
of this room to allow a man in the back

2309
01:51:38,920 --> 01:51:43,599
to yell at me and call me an idiot I

2310
01:51:41,719 --> 01:51:45,639
mean it doesn't surprise me that nobody

2311
01:51:43,599 --> 01:51:48,719
said anything you never complained when

2312
01:51:45,639 --> 01:51:53,359
the last board member what he said about

2313
01:51:48,719 --> 01:51:55,960
me so please take control of this

2314
01:51:53,359 --> 01:51:58,479
meeting and please stand up for the

2315
01:51:55,960 --> 01:52:02,319
residents and do what you promised

2316
01:51:58,479 --> 01:52:02,319
during your campaign thank

2317
01:52:18,880 --> 01:52:27,039
you Dean Cipher Walnut Shores um I just

2318
01:52:22,599 --> 01:52:29,960
just want to say that I am

2319
01:52:27,039 --> 01:52:33,840
disappointed that there are four new

2320
01:52:29,960 --> 01:52:37,118
people on the board and the people out

2321
01:52:33,840 --> 01:52:40,239
here did vote for new

2322
01:52:37,118 --> 01:52:42,839
people and when we have the chance to

2323
01:52:40,238 --> 01:52:45,718
put somebody on the Planning

2324
01:52:42,840 --> 01:52:49,480
Commission nothing against Zach but we

2325
01:52:45,719 --> 01:52:51,880
put somebody back in a spot that has

2326
01:52:49,479 --> 01:52:54,359
already been here there's residents out

2327
01:52:51,880 --> 01:52:56,840
here that worked very hard to

2328
01:52:54,359 --> 01:53:00,479
elect all of these new

2329
01:52:56,840 --> 01:53:02,599
people and I just I really feel that a

2330
01:53:00,479 --> 01:53:06,118
new applicant should have been

2331
01:53:02,599 --> 01:53:09,279
considered instead of same old same old

2332
01:53:06,118 --> 01:53:11,479
so and I agree with what Janette just

2333
01:53:09,279 --> 01:53:14,118
said about there needs to be some

2334
01:53:11,479 --> 01:53:15,839
clarity brought to the situation that

2335
01:53:14,118 --> 01:53:19,719
went on with the Planning

2336
01:53:15,840 --> 01:53:22,599
Commission because you know what went on

2337
01:53:19,719 --> 01:53:27,118
with that

2338
01:53:22,599 --> 01:53:27,119
and it needs to be explained thank

2339
01:53:31,078 --> 01:53:34,319
you yes

2340
01:53:39,279 --> 01:53:46,039
John John Ward Tyrone Township resident

2341
01:53:43,319 --> 01:53:48,719
Planning Commission chairman um in

2342
01:53:46,039 --> 01:53:50,158
regards to the uh ex the moratoriums in

2343
01:53:48,719 --> 01:53:54,078
place there was a little bit of

2344
01:53:50,158 --> 01:53:56,799
confusion at the last um uh uh Planning

2345
01:53:54,078 --> 01:53:59,679
Commission meeting last Tuesday um you

2346
01:53:56,800 --> 01:54:02,079
know it's it's the board's duty to to

2347
01:53:59,679 --> 01:54:05,840
set a moratorium and to renew it if

2348
01:54:02,078 --> 01:54:07,399
needed um and I think I did misstate

2349
01:54:05,840 --> 01:54:09,319
during the meeting for for a minute that

2350
01:54:07,399 --> 01:54:11,439
the that the mo the extractive

2351
01:54:09,319 --> 01:54:14,198
industrial was about to expire which

2352
01:54:11,439 --> 01:54:16,638
that one did expire but for my

2353
01:54:14,198 --> 01:54:19,638
calculations um from the June

2354
01:54:16,639 --> 01:54:21,840
18th um board meeting minutes there was

2355
01:54:19,639 --> 01:54:24,400
a moratorium in place that takes place

2356
01:54:21,840 --> 01:54:26,639
that day right right M that that was uh

2357
01:54:24,399 --> 01:54:28,479
June 18th and that was 180 day

2358
01:54:26,639 --> 01:54:31,000
moratorium so that one expired 2 days

2359
01:54:28,479 --> 01:54:34,678
ago that's just my calculation so if you

2360
01:54:31,000 --> 01:54:36,158
need to read um reword your resolution I

2361
01:54:34,679 --> 01:54:38,199
don't know but that that was my

2362
01:54:36,158 --> 01:54:42,559
calculations I kind of did it quick so

2363
01:54:38,198 --> 01:54:44,359
please verify that

2364
01:54:42,560 --> 01:54:47,639
um um

2365
01:54:44,359 --> 01:54:49,039
that's and I as far as um zap Tucker on

2366
01:54:47,639 --> 01:54:50,880
the Planning Commission Greg you did

2367
01:54:49,039 --> 01:54:52,840
call me and and we discussed that and I

2368
01:54:50,880 --> 01:54:54,400
think he's a good appointment it's very

2369
01:54:52,840 --> 01:54:56,599
very important to have a good legal

2370
01:54:54,399 --> 01:55:00,679
knowledge you know we got to know the

2371
01:54:56,599 --> 01:55:05,199
laws the Michigan zoning Act and the um

2372
01:55:00,679 --> 01:55:06,520
Michigan planning act um and I don't

2373
01:55:05,198 --> 01:55:08,359
someone mentioned before he was a

2374
01:55:06,520 --> 01:55:10,360
previous applicant I I'm not aware that

2375
01:55:08,359 --> 01:55:12,279
he was a previous applicant for the

2376
01:55:10,359 --> 01:55:15,880
Planning Commission I mean he was on the

2377
01:55:12,279 --> 01:55:17,679
board before but um I think that was um

2378
01:55:15,880 --> 01:55:21,719
a good choice and welcome him to the

2379
01:55:17,679 --> 01:55:21,719
Planning Commission thank you

2380
01:55:29,359 --> 01:55:34,559
no one

2381
01:55:31,439 --> 01:55:39,158
else all right

2382
01:55:34,560 --> 01:55:41,599
I like a motion to adjourn I make a

2383
01:55:39,158 --> 01:55:46,839
motion one

2384
01:55:41,599 --> 01:55:46,840
second all in favor I

2385
01:55:52,970 --> 01:55:56,109
[Music]

2386
01:55:57,840 --> 01:56:02,400
yeah well that was good

2387
01:56:09,270 --> 01:56:16,609
[Music]

2388
01:56:22,649 --> 01:56:25,728
[Music]

2389
01:56:51,520 --> 01:56:54,239
oh I know that

2390
01:56:54,279 --> 01:56:57,279
always